26 pts XtremeOverdrive OC team Italy

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ROUND 2 - Socket 370 (1998)

(Mendocino cores only)

(Non Intel chipset motherboards)

(No server hardware allowed-only desktop products)

 

Stage-1

CPU-Z Validation - Max CPU speed

 

Stage-2

SuperPI 1M

 

Stage-3

Wprime 32M

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9 hours ago, alexmaj467 said:

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I propose to make a list of unauthorized motherboards here. I think that those two processors are server / industrial board.

There are no stages set at e-sports to submit to.

13 hours ago, GRIFF said:

I propose to make a list of unauthorized motherboards here. I think that those two processors are server / industrial board.

Please follow the general rule guideline , which is 

(Mendocino cores only)

(Non Intel chipset motherboards)

(No server hardware allowed-only desktop products)  <= General rule for all hwbot competitions , and also specifically for osibs to avoid ServerWorks chipset boards

What's left ?

Plenty of boards with VIA Apollo Pro133A

I hope i helped you.

Can we use slot 1 boards with socket 370 CPU + adapter?

1 hour ago, Gumanoid said:

Can we use slot 1 boards with socket 370 CPU + adapter?

The general idea for this OSIBS , is pure stages , no adapters.

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/171301-osibs-season-4-design-thread/?page=4

1 hour ago, TASOS said:

The general idea for this OSIBS , is pure stages , no adapters.

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/171301-osibs-season-4-design-thread/?page=4

 

^^^^^^ this,,................ this too hard to understand ???

4 hours ago, TASOS said:

Plenty of boards with VIA Apollo Pro133A

I hope i helped you.

 

Via Apollo Pro266 with DDR is allowed?

Double cpu motherboards with one cpu mounted?

1 hour ago, GRIFF said:

Via Apollo Pro266 with DDR is allowed?

Double cpu motherboards with one cpu mounted?

I wish.

I took that as falling in the server hardware group.

Dual cpu board is the server board....ok

Via Apollo Pro266 is not server chipset and single cpu boards must be allowed for me.

I proposed to make a list of motherboards or chipsets in particular to avoid problems in the future.

Im not sure Ive got it right, since its the first time I set up a contest but let me know if something need to change.

Edit: You just want s370?

1 hour ago, GRIFF said:

Dual cpu board is the server board....ok

Via Apollo Pro266 is not server chipset and single cpu boards must be allowed for me.

I proposed to make a list of motherboards or chipsets in particular to avoid problems in the future.

Please  lets stay as close as possible to the Mendocino era !!!

Meaning , lets stick to SDRAM only.

19 minutes ago, Strunkenbold said:

Im not sure Ive got it right, since its the first time I set up a contest but let me know if something need to change.

Edit: You just want s370?

Gregor

Please adjust the competition page , with the available chipset options for VIA , SIS and Ali

37 minutes ago, TASOS said:

 

Please adjust the competition page , with the available chipset options for VIA , SIS and Ali

 

And:

-SDRAM limitation

- single cpu board

6 minutes ago, GRIFF said:

And:

-SDRAM limitation

- single cpu board

You can use any board , with VIA , SIS , Ali chipset and SDRAM.

In case you have a hybrid board with both SDRAM and DDR , you can use it with SDRAM only.

I hope it's clear enough.

not all dual-processor boards with VIA chip are server (ECS D6VAA, Abit VP6) and Celeron not a server processor. If someone can start system with dual Mendocino I do not see any problems.

not all dual-processor boards with VIA chip are server (ECS D6VAA, Abit VP6) and Celeron not a server processor. If someone can start system with dual Mendocino I do not see any problems.

bug, sorry

5 hours ago, Gumanoid said:

not all dual-processor boards with VIA chip are server (ECS D6VAA, Abit VP6) and Celeron not a server processor. If someone can start system with dual Mendocino I do not see any problems.

If you are lucky to have a dual cpu board (like Abit VP6) which can SMP Mendocino ... you can use it.

Hmm, so far everything with more than one socket and anything caled Xeon / Opteron / Quadro / Firepro was considered "server". This doesn't apply here?

As far as i can remember we had a dual S462 stage last year, so there allways was some server(ish) hardware involved

If dualboards are allowed thet would mean that anyone who want's to have a chance in the wprime stage needs one... If that is the case we have to agree on using them as soon as possible, otherwise there will be complaints from people who spent money on such a board and are not allowed to use it...

32 minutes ago, havli said:

Hmm, so far everything with more than one socket and  ... anything caled Xeon / Opteron / Quadro / Firepro was considered "server". This doesn't apply here?

I agree with you , on the second part of your phrase.

On the first part , no.

Because since the Abit BP6 era , the pc industry created a special product category for home users.

Dual socket boards where not server-workstation only (not anymore).

Boards like BP6 , VP6 , A7M266-D .... up to later models such as EVGA SR-2 , were not server products.

They were dual cpu boards for home users.

Shit.

You just changed the entire game plan.

Should have left it single processor only as the comp has already started.

I'm rather irritated now. 2 rounds in and problems with both of them.

Please bullet proof the rest of the rounds right now before this happens again.

6 minutes ago, Mr.Scott said:

Shit.

You just changed the entire game plan.

Im agree with you. Single cpu board for this stage.

34 minutes ago, TAGG said:

As far as i can remember we had a dual S462 stage last year, so there allways was some server(ish) hardware involved

If dualboards are allowed thet would mean that anyone who want's to have a chance in the wprime stage needs one... If that is the case we have to agree on using them as soon as possible, otherwise there will be complaints from people who spent money on such a board and are not allowed to use it...

Yes you are correct.

http://oc-esports.io/#!/round/osibs_s3r4/3380/cinebench_2003

All teams started with single cpu , until OnisA from XtremeOverdrive OC team Italy , posted a score with dual cpu's

After that , the teams adjusted their entries.

17 minutes ago, Mr.Scott said:

Should have left it single processor only as the comp has already started.

 

I'm rather irritated now. 2 rounds in and problems with both of them.

Please bullet proof the rest of the rounds right now before this happens again.

Scott

I havent changed the specs of this round.

There was no mention about cpu count , from the start.

15 minutes ago, GRIFF said:

Im agree with you. Single cpu board for this stage.

You could have written your opinion in the preparation thread earlier.

Why now ?

8 minutes ago, TASOS said:

 

 

 

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Scott

I havent changed the specs of this round.

There was no mention about cpu count , from the start.

 

 

I know that.

It's just in the previous comps it was specifically mentioned that multi processor boards like  A7M266-D were allowed.

When it is not specifically mentioned, everybody assumes that multi processor is not allowed.

Consistency.

That is still a problem.

I'm not blaming you Havli. Just a little irritated right now.

Fucking chiller just blew up too. Perfect. 

 

 

After a little research, there are very very few non Intel chipset boards that will run PPGA Celeron's in SMP mode.

If you're lucky enough to have or find one, have at it.

I am happy I aint competing in this section allowing dual CPU boards you are just gifting wprime to whoever gets 2 celerons running together we have the winner.

Thats not really a fair competition why compete if you have got no chance in hell unless you can run out and buy a dual board from somewhere quickly.

If dual CPUs are allowed change wprime to pifast then there is no advantage to dual boards.

1 hour ago, macsbeach98 said:

I am happy I aint competing in this section allowing dual CPU boards you are just gifting wprime to whoever gets 2 celerons running together we have the winner.

Thats not really a fair competition why compete if you have got no chance in hell unless you can run out and buy a dual board from somewhere quickly.

If dual CPUs are allowed change wprime to pifast then there is no advantage to dual boards.

Quote at 100%. 

PS: I have different dual socket board one of this capable run dual mendocino. But is rare HW. Enough the GF256 for this competition with very hight prices.

8 minutes ago, GRIFF said:

Quote at 100%. 

PS: I have different dual socket board one of this capable run dual mendocino. But is rare HW. Enough the GF256 for this competition with very hight prices.

Microstar ?

8 minutes ago, Mr.Scott said:

Microstar ?

http://hwbot.org/submission/2635166_griff_cinebench___2003_2x_celeron_533mhz_(mendocino_s370)_127_points

This is a Intel Board, so it would be of no use for this competition...

23 minutes ago, TAGG said:

This is a Intel Board, so it would be of no use for this competition...

Correct.

Can't use BX chipset.

I have VP6, but it won't run 2 Mendocinos.

I have one Microstar 694xxxx, don't remind exact model.

12 minutes ago, GRIFF said:

I have one Microstar 694xxxx, don't remind exact model.

That would be a winner if it's a dual socket board. There are like 4 or 5 different models of 694D, based on extra on board options.

more changes after the comp has started ??, so whats new, same every bloody year, like a damn circus in there, its got me beat, why cant all this stuff be spoken about, beforehand, agreed on to have  or not ???, not start the comp then wanna change it, then if allowed , people if they havent got the boards have to chase around for the right board for it, and in some countries like here it takes 3-4 weeks for a board to get here, if you can find 1, then that stage is over lol  , its not as if this dual socket scenario doesnt come up in every year of OSIBS every damn year, coz it has and does, make your decisions then stick with em, not this , oh well change it now after the bloody comp or stage has already started, its nothing but shutting the gate after the horse has bolted and then say what happened , and you wonder why people get pissed off with it all !!!!!

8 hours ago, Mr.Scott said:

That would be a winner if it's a dual socket board. There are like 4 or 5 different models of 694D, based on extra on board options.

This board.

I changed the limitation to one CPU.

The server and workstation rule is too ambiguous. In the end you would have to create a list of motherboards which were targeted on Desktop Systems and then there would be still uncertainties on what can be used and what not. So lets just keep it simple and stick to one CPU.

As requested, I removed VIA Apollo 266 chipset from the allowed chipsets.

I also change the allowed RAM type to SDRAM only.

As nobody answered I guess Slot Mendocino are also allowed.

My last question is if I should explicit forbid the use of Slot adapters which were actually a common thing and are available for cheap nowadays. You decide.

probably I will agree with Strunkenbold. Celerons do not officially support SMP and this usage is not typical for these processors. Also I do not see any problems in using the adapter. The rules indicate the use of the socket 370 processor, but not the motherboard. In addition, many motherboard manufacturers have released such adapters officially and there have been no restrictions on their use by Intel. Using the adapter does not open any additional and unofficial functions, as well as no advantage. my proposal is to allow only one processor (it's possible in dual-processor boards) and allow the use of adapters. it will be fun.

I have this idea:

- one cpu limitation, dual cpu boards allowed

- adapters allowed, because performance of the motherboards is identical.

- allowed chipsets VIA, SIS, ALI with sdr sdram

- mendocino core only

5 hours ago, Strunkenbold said:

I changed the limitation to one CPU.

The server and workstation rule is too ambiguous. In the end you would have to create a list of motherboards which were targeted on Desktop Systems and then there would be still uncertainties on what can be used and what not. So lets just keep it simple and stick to one CPU.

As requested, I removed VIA Apollo 266 chipset from the allowed chipsets.

I also change the allowed RAM type to SDRAM only.

As nobody answered I guess Slot Mendocino are also allowed.

My last question is if I should explicit forbid the use of Slot adapters which were actually a common thing and are available for cheap nowadays. You decide.

Thank you for doing this.

For any changes but single CPU, I would clear everything with Tasos being that he put this show together. It is only fitting that the participants do not override what the designer put together, but merely add input to what might be better. If you know what I mean.

So it's for sure okay to use a dual socket board with only one CPU?

I found an Abit VP6 for a good price and a have few 650-700MHz capable Mendocino chips laying around so I hope I can play once it get's here. 

3 hours ago, Mr.Scott said:

Thank you for doing this.

For any changes but single CPU, I would clear everything with Tasos being that he put this show together. It is only fitting that the participants do not override what the designer put together, but merely add input to what might be better. If you know what I mean.

Yes youre right.
However as mentioned the problem lies in the definition what server is and whats not. I fear moderating such cases...
I dont see any problem making a bonus round allowing dual mendocinos configurations. I would allow server boards too in such a round, because theres actually zero benefit using a Server board. Those are actually cheaper than desktop dual boards too.

So what we came to?

I talked with Tasos and he was very kind. Basically he accepted the current approach. Except someone has objections, the current set of rules are considered final. 

I don't see problems for dual socket motherboard users participating with a single CPU. 

Also slot adapters can be used, I don't think it means an advantage to anyone.

In favor of bigger participation , i decided to remove the difficulty factor from this round.

Which was indeed , trying to run the (Intel unlocked) SMP feature of Celeron PPGA's ... Since it requires above average modding skills , on both hardware and bios level .

When i saw old members , experienced members , getting the wrong dual boards or assuming they had the right dual boards ...

I realized that the "art" of running dual ppga celerons was a bit forgotten.

Buried deep into hardware history.

Sad , but a reality.

So

Easy , plain simple stage , for everybody.

No dual celerons

And slot-1 adapter allowed

Have fun !!!

4 hours ago, TASOS said:

In favor of bigger participation , i decided to remove the difficulty factor from this round.

Which was indeed , trying to run the (Intel unlocked) SMP feature of Celeron PPGA's ... Since it requires above average modding skills , on both hardware and bios level .

When i saw old members , experienced members , getting the wrong dual boards or assuming they had the right dual boards ...

I realized that the "art" of running dual ppga celerons was a bit forgotten.

Buried deep into hardware history.

Sad , but a reality.

 

So

Easy , plain simple stage , for everybody.

 

No dual celerons

And slot-1 adapter allowed

 

Have fun !!!

And dual cpu boards with single cpu?

On 3/21/2018 at 6:11 PM, Strunkenbold said:

I talked with Tasos and he was very kind. Basically he accepted the current approach. Except someone has objections, the current set of rules are considered final. 

I don't see problems for dual socket motherboard users participating with a single CPU. 

Also slot adapters can be used, I don't think it means an advantage to anyone.

2 hours ago, GRIFF said:

And dual cpu boards with single cpu?

Allowed.

Let me know , if you (or anybody else) have any other requests.

Perfect. Go go go.

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As requested, I removed VIA Apollo 266 chipset from the allowed chipsets.

I also change the allowed RAM type to SDRAM only.

 

What's the point removing VIA Apollo 266 and leaving CLE266 (that's an Apollo 266 + Unichrome iGPU)? Considering SDRAM only. And Aladdin Pro V with SDRAM being allowed.

@Strunkenbold

So, which non-Intel chipsets are allowed? Everything except Apollo 266 or only the ones listed on the stage?

21 hours ago, Antinomy said:

@Strunkenbold

So, which non-Intel chipsets are allowed? Everything except Apollo 266 or only the ones listed on the stage?

I was told to remove all DDR chipsets. I have to admit, I made a mistake with the CLE266. As SDRAM is the only allowed RAM type it shouldnt caused much damage.

I removed now the Aladdin Pro 5T, CLE266 and the SiS 635 those were, AFAIK late P6 chipsets and dont match the comp.

Thank you! Now it makes sense. And you're just in time before I've taken my Aladdin Pro 5 off the shelf

6 minutes ago, Antinomy said:

Thank you! Now it makes sense. And you're just in time before I've taken my Aladdin Pro 5 off the shelf

The actual problem is, nobody else has such rare Hardware like you.  

I don't see a problem here

The real problem is that about a half of my hardware isn't in HWBot database at all.

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I'm sad that I can't play in this. Got my Abit VP6 the other day but it's a brick. :( Power switch does nothing, but from what I can see by shorting P OK on the 20 pin to GND all the power circuitry is good. 

Anyone have some suggestions on what to check first? 

I'm sitting back wondering how the CPU validation screenshots will be moderated. 

@DR4G00N what do you mean by pin 20? Try shorting PS_ON pin in ATX power cord: http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower.shtml

you need to short pins 14 and 15. If your system boots fine with this, it's the multiIO chip dead (most likely).

Two hours to the end and I've just found my WinXP CD and it's got read errors. A new level of extreme.

5 hours ago, Antinomy said:

@DR4G00N what do you mean by pin 20? Try shorting PS_ON pin in ATX power cord: http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower.shtml

you need to short pins 14 and 15. If your system boots fine with this, it's the multiIO chip dead (most likely).

 

Two hours to the end and I've just found my WinXP CD and it's got read errors. A new level of extreme.

Yes, that is what I meant, 20-Pin ATX connector. Shorting PS_ON powers it on but it doesn't post just a constant tone from the buzzer.

K some scores in stage 1 only have a picture of the screenshot, others don't even have a screenshot, just a setup pic.  Then there are others who have a screenshot with FSB far off the CPU-Z score...  Any inputs plz

I didn't have a screenshot but when I saw a message from Mr. Scott, I had to rebench the setup to get one. The rules tell screenshot is required. I think a photo might work too but it's up to you.

6 hours ago, DR4G00N said:

but it doesn't post just a constant tone from the buzzer.

I'm afraid, can't help you with this one. Start checking voltages.

Sucker, I've just noticed my screenshot didn't get attached despite I did. WTH

38 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:

K some scores in stage 1 only have a picture of the screenshot, others don't even have a screenshot, just a setup pic.  Then there are others who have a screenshot with FSB far off the CPU-Z score...  Any inputs plz

My opinion,

Picture of a screenshot has never been allowed anywhere.....ever.

Backround is required, so if there is no screenshot then there is no backround either so......

Technically, if you follow the stage rules requirement, the screenshot was to include board and mem tabs also. That means there are more offenders, including myself............(because I did not read the rules).:(

If we'd take Stage 1 super serious the best score would be 675MHz which would just be stupid, I'd say photo of screen has to do, getting a old single core cpu 3x CPU-Z stable + screenshot is basically like running a benchmark, which  max validations have never been and imo. should never become for any platform...

Also I did not read the rules well and I thought the screenshot of the frequency was enough with the margin of error in percentage compared to the validate that I do not remember now. The motherboard used and the ram in theory are already seen in the validate so cheating is not possible.

30 minutes ago, TAGG said:

If we'd take Stage 1 super serious the best score would be 675MHz which would just be stupid, I'd say photo of screen has to do, getting a old single core cpu 3x CPU-Z stable + screenshot is basically like running a benchmark, which  max validations have never been and imo. should never become for any platform...

 

Lol. You can't be serious.

You're condoning basically no rules based on the age of the platform?

What is this ,  f'ing free for all? I'll just post a blank screen and write my own CPU frequency in then. That'll be good enough.

I would take down every one of those non conforming screenshots in stage 1 including my own, for being stupid and not checking the actual rules and just assuming.

as far as im concerned the whole OSIBS  comp this year is a bloody shambles, and i love OSIBS comps, a waste of time and effort, its been 1 thing after the other of drama and was set up completely wrongly  IMO , ive got the older gear but i havent got the gear good enough to go in it and after seeing the lack of participants in this comp from day 1 im happy that i havent

Hi guys. My opinion.

With this platform i'm made validation file at 940mhz but screen only at 878mhz, if you want delete my score, is not problem for me.

If i launch 3 cpu-z tabs the screen with max freq is 856mhz. 

Photo of the screen not allowed for me: i have video and photo with wprime at 841mhz but not posted because can't made screen.

3 hours ago, ozzie said:

as far as im concerned the whole OSIBS  comp this year is a bloody shambles, and i love OSIBS comps, a waste of time and effort, its been 1 thing after the other of drama and was set up completely wrongly

As far as Im concerned there was always Drama, in every comp. Also this is not the first time we requested a screenshot for CPU-Z stages. I have to admit that the CPU-Z stage doesnt really Need a screenshot though,  its like what @TAGG said: Basically the screenshot requirement prevented suicide runs, turning this into a light stability Benchmark.

But I set up the stages on March 16, even gave everyone one day more time, so everyone could comment. including you. Discussing after the comp ended isnt helpful. But some People made submissions according to the rules and some did not. Which leaves the question why we should punish the ones who did.

Of course those competitions would better organized if there would be someone solely dedicated to creating stages and moderating submissions. But after websmile left, there is no one.
So basically, while I understand the Frustration, a better way to deal with the Situation would be to comment about Problems and make the stuff Aware of it.

Thx @TASOS BTW!

16 minutes ago, Strunkenbold said:

As far as Im concerned there was always Drama, in every comp. Also this is not the first time we requested a screenshot for CPU-Z stages. I have to admit that the CPU-Z stage doesnt really Need a screenshot though,  its like what @TAGG said: Basically the screenshot requirement prevented suicide runs, turning this into a light stability Benchmark.

Then you have to specify to mark the frequency of the screen although valid can have higher frequency.

But I think a concept a bit wrong for competitions where you are pleased to see new WR.

I like to remind you that at round 1 other VALID submissions - including mine - deleted because was not in accordance 100% with the rules.

This time I read carefully and submitted my results according the rules. So I included a valid screenshot for the cpu-z speed that submitted.

Personally for the cpu-z stage I do not think that we should be so strict and delete any scores this time - the ones that have no screenshot - despite the fact that this will bring my score even higher.

Let's be more carefull and strict next round.

This is my suggestion.

1 hour ago, Strunkenbold said:

As far as Im concerned there was always Drama, in every comp. Also this is not the first time we requested a screenshot for CPU-Z stages. I have to admit that the CPU-Z stage doesnt really Need a screenshot though,  its like what @TAGG said: Basically the screenshot requirement prevented suicide runs, turning this into a light stability Benchmark.

But I set up the stages on March 16, even gave everyone one day more time, so everyone could comment. including you. Discussing after the comp ended isnt helpful. But some People made submissions according to the rules and some did not. Which leaves the question why we should punish the ones who did.

Of course those competitions would better organized if there would be someone solely dedicated to creating stages and moderating submissions. But after websmile left, there is no one.
So basically, while I understand the Frustration, a better way to deal with the Situation would be to comment about Problems and make the stuff Aware of it.

Thx @TASOS BTW!

 

thats like saying shut the gate after the horse has bolted, no point is there, ive made suggestions, points, what has actually gone wrong, as youve put it for years and no notice taken or anything done for it, dont give me that mate, how can you comment until you see what happens with whats been given ?? , bot knows about cpuz and other 3rd party software issues for yrs , whats really been done??? and in how many different comps????, false readings, bugged, to say the least, nothin thats what, the 2018 OSBIS in my opinion and which im entitled to is the worst ive ever seen and set up wholey to  to  benefit 1 team as i see it, and guess what team ? comps would be better if theyre organised properly from the start, and this is to  benefit 1 team,the issue and always has been, just a thrown together and fix the problems later when they arise , so whats new?? nothing, frustrating ?/ lol demoralising more like it, to the point if people say i couldnt care less and im not gunna waste my time and energy on it, now if others were really honest and not seen as a trouble maker like i am, coz i speak my mind,  and had some balls, theyd be saying the same , when im wrong my hands are up and i apologise,, when im not ill stand on my digs

@ozzie

Wich team?