50 pts CherV

Coon with more info ... rules are ready, though. So preparation time!

Great Competition

Nice! Waiting for new mobos

small error in description

"CPUZ CPU Frequency WR Target: 2732. ASRock and HWBOT reserve the right to update the world record during the competition."

Any A10 cpu is allowed?

Any info link ?

Edit found it

http://hwbot.org/competition/asrock_richland_contest/

Nice to see that the manufacturers put some interest on AMD platforms too. I guess this is kind of a "avalanche" effect. Hopefully Asus and MSI will arrange (sponsor) their own competitions now too after Gigabyte and ASRock have done theirs.

Nice competition, grats on manufacturers pushing their products and helping the enthusiast scene. p.s: why is it called richaland contest ? suppose I'd try to push a trinity 5800 is it just out of the league and cant compete with 6800?

Seems someone needs to fix the limitations

Fixed!

Could you provide competition wallpaper in a bit higher resolution? 1047x616 is a bit awkward.

is needed wallpaper ? and if so where is a picture that does not abut

I am in the middle of my ASRock A10 build, I got really sick though, So it was on hold for a few days. This will be my first water cooling effort also.

Good luck to everyone!

Ken

Fyi, high-res background: http://oc.asrock.com/FM2A10/images/ASRock%20OC%20Competition%201920.jpg

good luck to all

time for amd blarg

aaronou to miss the day 21/09/2013 benchmarks and the competition starts on 23.09.2013 scores are not valid. "This is allowed?"

X-POWERX800PRO 3dmark 11 does not have the wallpaper and the date is 9/21/2013 bechmark before it started .Someone in the organization reviews the images of the event? .thank you very much

Don't worry, staff will remove the wrong submissions.

I think the problem comes from the feature which offers you to participate in the running competitions if your entry matches the rules.

They just agree on the prompt.

Massman : if we used seven, "Time measurement data not available. The validity of the result cannot be determined. (What is this?) " is not an issue right ?

wizerty not problem

Massman : if we used seven, "Time measurement data not available. The validity of the result cannot be determined. (What is this?) " is not an issue right ?

Apparently if it the result says that, then it's not valid, or so i've been told.

Anyone know if there's a way to revive Asrock A85 Extreme6 after a bad bios flash?

Not talking about a programmer device, because I can't find one in the weekend.

Got the board yesterday and tried to flash the LN2 bios today. Loaded setup defaults, reset and entered instant flash. It's the first time I try to flash a new bios on this board.

The process stuck at ~30%. Waited 10-15 minutes and it didn't move, everything appeared frozen. Had no other choice but restart and it's now dead. I only managed to install Windows

PS: If it matters - I've used the black usb2.0 ports near the clrCMOS button.

Damn it man,in a bad day happened ...

The board have two bios... change for secound and reflash first!

Yes, I have a very bad luck with APUs. Guess I just have to sit back and watch.

Billy, where? I can only see one bios chip on the board.

PS: I have Extreme6, not 6+. Extreme6+ is not available in Bulgaria yet, so I had no other choice but get the older model.

week1 end @ 9/30 11:00am (GMT+8).

that means 3:00am GMT or 5:00am GMT +2 right ? I will Probably start FM2 tonight

Yes, I have a very bad luck with APUs. Guess I just have to sit back and watch.

 

Billy, where? I can only see one bios chip on the board.

 

PS: I have Extreme6, not 6+. Extreme6+ is not available in Bulgaria yet, so I had no other choice but get the older model.

yes you have reason messed with extreme 6+ sorry!

Anyone know if there's a way to revive Asrock A85 Extreme6 after a bad bios flash?

Not talking about a programmer device, because I can't find one in the weekend.

Got the board yesterday and tried to flash the LN2 bios today. Loaded setup defaults, reset and entered instant flash. It's the first time I try to flash a new bios on this board.

The process stuck at ~30%. Waited 10-15 minutes and it didn't move, everything appeared frozen. Had no other choice but restart and it's now dead. I only managed to install Windows

 

PS: If it matters - I've used the black usb2.0 ports near the clrCMOS button.

You should be able to hot flash it in pretty much any board with a DIP8 socketed bios.

http://ra.openbios.org/~idwer/flashrom/dos/

Command "Flashrom -p internal -w biosname.xxx"

In case that does not work, try: "Flashrom -p internal:laptop=this_is_not_a_laptop -w biosname.xxx".

Error: Image size (8392704 B) doesn't match the flash chip's size (8388608 B).

That with the second command, the first one errors out with "Programmer initialization failed" and I get on both

Calibrating delay loop... OK

Bad command or file name (x4 times)

I've tried with 3 bios versions and also tried with different file extensions - the original ones, bin and rom.

The board I'm trying on is Asus M4A89GTD. Will try on Asrock Z77 OCF in a moment, 'cause I don't have a newer AMD moard than this (except Crosshair IV Formula which is similar to the M4).

What about if you add a "-f" switch after the command?

Nothing changed with -f.

Took a look at the full commands list, but I don't think anything else can help.

i.nfrar.ed Yesterday I was looking for a solution I found nothing. it only if you have 2 plates change the bios chip so you can use either

Massman can you confirm that if we used seven, "Time measurement data not available. The validity of the result cannot be determined. (What is this?) " is not an issue please.... need to know ASAP please

Man every one is pushing the 6800 chip to the limit. I must step up my game plan.

Thanks,

Mack4033

Not being someone who regularly submits 3DMark11 scores so not quite sure what's happening here, but there seems to be lots of invalid and/or unvalidated 3DMark11 scores posted so far. Especially these few recurring result details shown in many validation links,

Unable to verify AMD Catalyst tessellation setting, result invalid. (What is this?)

 

Benchmark tessellation load modified by AMD Catalyst driver, result invalid. Check your video driver settings. (What is this?)

 

Time measurement data not available. The validity of the result cannot be determined. (What is this?)

 

Graphics driver is not approved (What is this?)

Anyone care to comment? Thanks.

BIOs and tools download link

http://picx.xfastest.com/nickshih/bios/FA85EX62.zip

http://picx.xfastest.com/nickshih/bios/F288E6P130a.rar

http://picx.xfastest.com/nickshih/bios/ATuningSetup(v2.0.36.6).rar

Here is the pic of slowmode .... sorry i am lazy to put more description on the picture .

find a on/off switch . soldering the marked pin and ground to the switch .

1. Unable to verify AMD Catalyst tessellation setting, result invalid. (What is this?)

 

2. Benchmark tessellation load modified by AMD Catalyst driver, result invalid. Check your video driver settings. (What is this?)

 

3. Time measurement data not available. The validity of the result cannot be determined. (What is this?)

 

4. Graphics driver is not approved (What is this?)

1. Result is HWBOT valid. But not FM valid cause you are cheating the Tesselation of the benchmark

2. same as above

3. System info is not new enough to verify if you are using the windows 8 RTC bug / cheat. If you are running any other OS than win8 this result is still fine. Otherwise update your system info to 4.20. on futuremark site

4. You are using a beta or new graphics diver, its not FM valid but HWBOT supports the use of any driver

Most informative & enlightening though disturbingly unusual, thanks.

Anyone know if there's a way to revive Asrock A85 Extreme6 after a bad bios flash?

Maybe give this a read, something similar with a success story

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?284953-ASRock-990FX-Extreme9&p=5201322&viewfull=1#post5201322

I have tried that in Sunday without success.

Board stops at F2 and there's some activity on the USB drive (formatted in FAT32 and the only file in the root directory is the bios).

After 1-2 minutes it moves to 7C and usb activity led stops, but the board does not boot.

Several people have reported that the 3DMark score is dropping after a certain clock frequency has been reached.

The technical background of this issue is the "Bidirectional Application Power Management" (BApm).

The performance starts to degrade when the GPU divider is dropped to 3,00 or below (equals 1266MHz or higher SCLK at 100MHz BCLK).

It is because at this point the power envelope (44W on 6800K) for the GPU is reached.

When the GPU exceeds it's power envelope, BApm forces the SCLK to throttle to get the power consumption back within the limits. During the throttle the SCLK frequency will oscillate between 304MHz and 1266MHz (at 100MHz BCLK). Eventhou the BApm has access to the real power consumption and temperature data they are ignored for the SCLK power limit. The BApm only weights changes made to the commanded UNB Vdd and the SCLK Dpm frequency. Since the voltage changes made from the bios are not visible to BApm, it only sees the SCLK frequency itself changing. Therefore the SCLK throttling activates always at the same point, no matter if the chip is running on air or LN2 cooling.

Anyway I will post a tool to disable the throttling on Trinity and Richland APUs later today.

Have to make one first, as BApm cannot be killed easily without breaking number of other things

Several people have reported that the 3DMark score is dropping after a certain clock frequency has been reached.

 

The technical background of this issue is the "Bidirectional Application Power Management" (BApm).

 

The performance starts to degrade when the GPU divider is dropped to 3,00 or below (equals 1266MHz or higher SCLK at 100MHz BCLK).

It is because at this point the power envelope (44W on 6800K) for the GPU is reached.

 

When the GPU exceeds it's power envelope, BApm forces the SCLK to throttle to get the power consumption back within the limits. During the throttle the SCLK frequency will oscillate between 304MHz and 1266MHz (at 100MHz BCLK). Eventhou the BApm has access to the real power consumption and temperature data they are ignored for the SCLK power limit. The BApm only weights changes made to the commanded UNB Vdd and the SCLK Dpm frequency. Since the voltage changes made from the bios are not visible to BApm, it only sees the SCLK frequency itself changing. Therefore the SCLK throttling activates always at the same point, no matter if the chip is running on air or LN2 cooling.

 

Anyway I will post a tool to disable the throttling on Trinity and Richland APUs later today.

Have to make one first, as BApm cannot be killed easily without breaking number of other things

Thank You So much and Much Apriciacite Roger .

thank you very much THE STILT

1. Result is HWBOT valid. But not FM valid cause you are cheating the Tesselation of the benchmark

2. same as above

3. System info is not new enough to verify if you are using the windows 8 RTC bug / cheat. If you are running any other OS than win8 this result is still fine. Otherwise update your system info to 4.20. on futuremark site

4. You are using a beta or new graphics diver, its not FM valid but HWBOT supports the use of any driver

so result with item 3 is fine for submission on window 7?

Several people have reported that the 3DMark score is dropping after a certain clock frequency has been reached...

Hey wow, now where the heck is the Like or Thanks button... ? Much appreciated!

Can't wait to test it sir, so great support roger, thanks so so much man.

Had some nasty flashbacks from the time when I did the ACI...

Nothing has changed since those days.

None of the ODMs seem to follow the design guidelines, but instead use their custom configuration. And the custom configurations are rarely working perfectly and therefore the results may vary...

Tried three different boards and came across of three different configurations.

None of them followed the default configuration defined by AGESA.

Didn't try ASRock as I don't have one yet, but I think I managed to cover all of the possible scenarios

The fix itself is very simple, but to make it all work perfectly I had to build a logic around it.

The logic required around 20 times more rows than the fix itself.

The BApm controls all of the Dpms (dynamic power management) on 15h APUs.

There are different Dpms for NCLK (NB), SCLK (GPU), LCLK (Link), DCLK (Display), VCLK and few different Dpms for the UVD clocks too.

If the BApm is disabled you will loose all of those Dpms.

No Dpm (PState) change can occur after that. This includes both the clocks and the voltage.

The software will configure the Dpms prior disabling the BApm in a way that there will be no performance impact. For NCLK Dpm for example it will determine the highest performance resulting PState and lock the NBPll to that frequency prior disabling the BApm. After the BApm has been disabled no frequency change can occur (other than CPUPll & GPUPll, i.e frequency).

As the NCLK PState (and frequency) is tied to the GPU activity it is continously varying. In case the BApm would be disabled directly, the NCLK could lock into a low performance (frequency) state, which naturally would cause a performance impact.

Notes:

- In case the display driver crashes and is recovered the BApm needs to be disabled again

- Running simultaneously with CPU-Z or HWMonitor might cause a system crash.

- All of the changes will be overwritten by a reset

- Unlocking the NCLK frequency might require a cold reset

- The NCLK frequency cannot be changed in flight (e.g with PSCheck) after BApm has been disabled

- In case your are already running at critical UNB voltage levels (1.55V or above), do note that disabling BApm sometimes results a 25mV increase in the GPU voltage.

It is tested on Catalyst 13.9 WHQL and on 13.10 Beta 2 drivers.

AMD has changed and might change again the behavior of BApm in different driver versions, so the fix might not work on future or older drivers.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/22vdtd3ruwsd54s/DPT_R1.00.zip

Great job The Stilt!

BTW

I like Asrock's packaging lately

Thank You Roger..but I cannot extract that file.

Thank You Roger..but I cannot extract that file.

Use 7-Zip, it is a LZMA zip.

I need a list of Binned APU's cpu for the A-10 6800 K for overclocking with water and dice. Or can some one help me with a good batch numbers to look for with this chip. I am building one this week.

Thanks,

Mack 4033

boot in to bios and look at default volts. Less than 1.29 is candidate.

have one 1.2 vid here

this contest is really CPU killer killed 2 last week ...

The stilt tried you great tool, no problem at all here can set it without hang and run 3d11 at 1600 1.55 vnb with good cpu, i have the full performance.

still working on memories witch is killing all my CPUs

have one 1.2 vid here

this contest is really CPU killer killed 2 last week ...

 

The stilt tried you great tool, no problem at all here can set it without hang and run 3d11 at 1600 1.55 vnb with good cpu

still working on memories witch is killing all my CPUs

Too much voltage for IMC or what?

the stilt said max memory voltage should be around 1.725 . so i assume should be memory voltage kill the cpus or high vnb

1.725? frozen hynix ftw?

the stilt said max memory voltage should be around 1.725 . so i assume should be memory voltage kill the cpus or high vnb

Thats weird, 1.725 is little bit too low i think

he will see here and will answer for sure, i really never tried less than 1.95 under cold. i assume when he said 32m so in general for 3d11 should be very close or same specially Physx, gt3 and gt4 use memories.

On < = 32nm AMD parts you should never exceed 1.725V for memory voltage.

It is considered as the absolute maximum limit, at which a permanent damage starts to occur. On AMD VDD_DDR = VDDIO. And VDDIO is used everywhere within the chip and the FCH also. For termination and pulling different signals high (e.g. PROCHOT).

here are my tests

PSC 2666 1.95 7-11-7-21 1t trfc auto twcl 8 trc 33 twr 12 trrd 4 and 5 rwtr 5 trtp 5 tfaw 20

CFR 2750 1.95 9-11-10-27 1t trfc auto twcl 9 trc 33 twr 12 trrd 5 rwtr 5 trtp 5 tfaw 20 tfaw 30 this setting if you guys can run you will see +31XX at +6GHz CPU and 1450 GPU

BFR same as CFR or very close

Hypers and BBSE are both about 2400 C8

all under LN2 about -100

with THE STILT TOOL if you can run 1600MHz and CFR or BFR setting i posted so we are close to 33XX

cpu 5GHz to 6GHz gives 20/30 Points.

ok now send all prizes here, i told you all tweaks...

I have tried that in Sunday without success.

Board stops at F2 and there's some activity on the USB drive (formatted in FAT32 and the only file in the root directory is the bios).

After 1-2 minutes it moves to 7C and usb activity led stops, but the board does not boot.

Do you have another amd board? I tried to save my bios with a Asrock A85 ITX with success. not sure if you can use another brand.

Should be able to use the dos or window afuxxx. the only thing you need to do is to trim the bios file from 8196kb to 8192kb, if not it will always fail flashing due to rom size not matching with file size. need to delete the first 0-1000h of the file.

--- Open the bios file with your hex editor. Highlight everything from offset 0000000 to 00001000 and delete it, moving the existing code up. The existing code should just read as FF FF FF, etc.

Always hang when flashing the boot blocks though. so i just flash the rest without the boot blocks.

have one 1.2 vid here

this contest is really CPU killer killed 2 last week ...

 

The stilt tried you great tool, no problem at all here can set it without hang and run 3d11 at 1600 1.55 vnb with good cpu, i have the full performance.

still working on memories witch is killing all my CPUs

doesn''t work for me. am i missing something?

Run it as admin.

Is that on Windows 8 anyway?

window 7. Is there any other requirement???

should i patch my w7 all the way?

window 7. Is there any other requirement???

should i patch my w7 all the way?

at what IGP frequency you are running?

as long as i set it to 1267 scores drop irregardless of bclk.100 110 120 all scores drop

as long as i set it to 1267 scores drop irregardless of bclk.100 110 120 all scores drop

i think you need it after 1580/1600 MHz on GPU, yesterday i ran 1540 without the patch and performance was OK.

Also Hazzan run was at 1555 and the performance was perfect.

what driver you are using?

at 100 bclk?

13-9

at 100 bclk?

 

13-9

noi run 128 and hazzan 131

no go at 100 bclk at 1520 mhz

no go at 1287x120

Run it as admin.

 

Is that on Windows 8 anyway?

ok Roger i will try.. first i tried not as admin and didnt worked

by the way... Here's my last backup and i'm sure i will win this.. lol

Bugged run at GT4 while memory starts error...

!! haha

i have the bad run.

you need tweak more and try higher memories.

score is all wrong. mem to 2500 cl10 score still too low. not sure why.

if i run 1169 gpu with higher bclk i can get better score. but still way too low. i already did 2200 pts on a 5800k on air.

How do you guys manage to run so high bclk/fsb? Any thing above 102 gives me BSOD...

It might be me, I don´t have much experience with this setup.

How do you guys manage to run so high bclk/fsb? Any thing above 102 gives me BSOD...

It might be me, I don´t have much experience with this setup.

Try update your bios first mate

I have problems at 15001430+ GPU even with the tool from Stilt. FPS drops no matter what.

Running Catalyst 13.9 on Win 7 x64.

PS: I get normal scores only at "1169" multi, but my APU's IMC is bad, so I'm limited to 120 bclk

I don't have good imc chip & strong memory

bios update

http://picx.xfastest.com/nickshih/bios/F288E6P130e.rar

added "APU TDP control option " disabled this one might help 3dmark benching

one more tips here .

please make sure the pwm is under well-cooling

using memory pot and keep it under -10~20 is the best way to bench 3D .

I have problems at 15001430+ GPU even with the tool from Stilt. FPS drops no matter what.

Running Catalyst 13.9 on Win 7 x64.

 

PS: I get normal scores only at "1169" multi, but my APU's IMC is bad, so I'm limited to 120 bclk

same deal with what i have. there seems to be a black hole from 121 to 127 bclk for me. 128 boots but not stable.

Running ide mode helps in bclk. although my ssd drop off after 105. i had to use a pcie 1x 2 port sata card for my ssd to run higher bclk. or running normal hdd helps too.

New bios is nice

same deal with what i have. there seems to be a black hole from 121 to 127 bclk for me. 128 boots but not stable.

 

Running ide mode helps in bclk. although my ssd drop off after 105. i had to use a pcie 1x 2 port sata card for my ssd to run higher bclk. or running normal hdd helps too.

No, I don't have problem with bclk. Running in IDE mode with my SSD I've tested up to 130.

Lower or higher divider (than 1169) for the IGPU results in lower fps when I try to match e.g. 1400MHz with the 1169 option. However with 1169 option and 3:32 mem divider max benchable is 1415Mhz for the GPU, because max stable mem frequency for this APU is 1290. Although I can load windows at say 1330 it is not benchable - crashes on desktop or reboots when I try to run 3dmark. Nothing helps - voltage, timings... I used ~1.7V (more was not needed) for the RAM, because it is the IMC failing. I gained a little on LN2, but not as much as I hoped.

I see top guys run the same multi, so I guess it's a common thing and I need a chip with better IMC.

On a side note - the board is rock stable. Bios recovers very well from bad settings and had absolutely no problem during the first sesion. Great job Asrock and Nick!

Also as Nick said - get a proper cooling for the pwm. Even after several hours at -190 for the cpu and -70 on the memory, the pwm heatsink was still warm and I had a fan placed over it.

BTW, thanks for the bios tip, that saved my @ss. I gues that block at the beginning is just a code for the bios flashing program. Flashed fine with Flashrom on Asus M4A89GTD.

oh sorry i knew about the IDE but i forgot to mention here in my last post,

not sure if the IMC stopped you, all CPUs ( 5 till now ) can run +1450 easy on gpu and +2666 on memories when right mem and temp and +1.9 Vdimm ( i can't suggest high vdimm as i heard its cpu killer) but honestly i tried always +1.9 and never lower with samsungs,CFR,BFR,PSC,BBSE

the only thing i can tell you is trying that with the timings i posted in my last post,

As nicky boy said when memories are lower than -50 i can't bench more than 1 hour, that means you have to know what you want to do exactly go -180 on cpu -100 memories boom run and save otherwise -20 is good enough for samsungs.

some points:

- If you have samsung go with them easiest memories to bench with Richaland ( 9-12-11-21 )then BFR and CFR( 9-11-10-25 but need -100)

- Don't touch PSC/BBSE they are very hard to bench when over 2666 ( one run is enough to kill hazzan score )

- I found my screen corruption problem was loading OS at -185 or so , loading OS and run 3d at -165 everything is OK

- If you have reboot or BSOD when Combined Test started, try -165 and not full pot

- High CPU is not really needed(20/30 points), focus on memory first then NB over 29XX, best way is leave easy CPU and NB find the best memory timings and frequency bench whole the 3D ( someone run only GTs, someone run only GT3,GT4) NO you have to run WHOLE the benchmark. after you find best combination then go higher NB and then CPU,

i thought NB freq and memory freq should be match but it is not with my tests, you can have low NB but high stable memory.

Hope i can help you guys.

- Don't touch PSC/BBSE they are very hard to bench when over 2666 ( one run is enough to kill hazzan score )

.

just lucky not from my skill bro.....ho ho ho ho

just lucky not from my skill bro.....ho ho ho ho

not true , you don't have only nice BFR ( what i should better than yours lol ) but you know how to manage this shift all together to have+3k score bro.

No, I don't have problem with bclk. Running in IDE mode with my SSD I've tested up to 130.

 

Lower or higher divider (than 1169) for the IGPU results in lower fps when I try to match e.g. 1400MHz with the 1169 option. However with 1169 option and 3:32 mem divider max benchable is 1415Mhz for the GPU, because max stable mem frequency for this APU is 1290. Although I can load windows at say 1330 it is not benchable - crashes on desktop or reboots when I try to run 3dmark. Nothing helps - voltage, timings... I used ~1.7V (more was not needed) for the RAM, because it is the IMC failing. I gained a little on LN2, but not as much as I hoped.

 

I see top guys run the same multi, so I guess it's a common thing and I need a chip with better IMC.

 

On a side note - the board is rock stable. Bios recovers very well from bad settings and had absolutely no problem during the first sesion. Great job Asrock and Nick!

 

Also as Nick said - get a proper cooling for the pwm. Even after several hours at -190 for the cpu and -70 on the memory, the pwm heatsink was still warm and I had a fan placed over it.

 

BTW, thanks for the bios tip, that saved my @ss. I gues that block at the beginning is just a code for the bios flashing program. Flashed fine with Flashrom on Asus M4A89GTD.

my score gets higher when i start low until 1169. after that it is downhill all the way.

guess my ssd doesn't like the high bclk.

and yeah i was pulling my hair on the bios corrupt. i was darn happy when i could save mine. glad u can save yours too.

oh sorry i knew about the IDE but i forgot to mention here in my last post,

 

not sure if the IMC stopped you, all CPUs ( 5 till now ) can run +1450 easy on gpu and +2666 on memories when right mem and temp and +1.9 Vdimm ( i can't suggest high vdimm as i heard its cpu killer) but honestly i tried always +1.9 and never lower with samsungs,CFR,BFR,PSC,BBSE

 

the only thing i can tell you is trying that with the timings i posted in my last post,

As nicky boy said when memories are lower than -50 i can't bench more than 1 hour, that means you have to know what you want to do exactly go -180 on cpu -100 memories boom run and save otherwise -20 is good enough for samsungs.

 

some points:

- If you have samsung go with them easiest memories to bench with Richaland ( 9-12-11-21 )then BFR and CFR( 9-11-10-25 but need -100)

- Don't touch PSC/BBSE they are very hard to bench when over 2666 ( one run is enough to kill hazzan score )

- I found my screen corruption problem was loading OS at -185 or so , loading OS and run 3d at -165 everything is OK

- If you have reboot or BSOD when Combined Test started, try -165 and not full pot

- High CPU is not really needed(20/30 points), focus on memory first then NB over 29XX, best way is leave easy CPU and NB find the best memory timings and frequency bench whole the 3D ( someone run only GTs, someone run only GT3,GT4) NO you have to run WHOLE the benchmark. after you find best combination then go higher NB and then CPU,

 

i thought NB freq and memory freq should be match but it is not with my tests, you can have low NB but high stable memory.

 

Hope i can help you guys.

All points are valid with some exceptions for me

- I don't have anything different than BBSE/PSC/Hyper. I've used PSC. I have Adata 1600 BFR that are capable of high frequency, but they do not boot at all. Not stable with PSC/BBSE over 2600 at any timings. About 2550 was max on air and I've tried 3 kits good for 2600+ very tight subs (on intel though).

Actually I have Geil Evo Veloce 2400 from one of the competitions, but I've borrowed them to a friend for some test. Have to get them back.

- Loading OS at full pot was never a problem with my APU/MEM/Board. Also benched several hours with mem at -70, but I started with higher temp and there was no difference.

- High CPU is not needed, unless you're fighting for the last 20-30 points

Some observations from me:

- about 1.74V VDIMM was max for me. Anything higher and it was getting worse, no matter the temperature of the APU/memory. I settled with 1.7V.

- IGPU didn't like more than ~1.5V. Maybe that saved me from killing it

Unfortunately I don't have another APU to compare, however I have no choice but get another one this week.

Try update your bios first mate

Yeah yeah, I know and I have and I will test more to night. :-)

forget comparing intel with amd on memories, same PSC/BBSE i can do easy AIR 2666 8-12-8 1.85 on intel i can't do the same even under LN2 here. as i said over 2666/2700 till 2600 i can bench easy 7-10-7 with both bbse and psc, had a run 7-9-7 with bbse thought, temp was very very important when i benched them higher than -100 they won't pass 3d.

High CPU for needed for testing , when you have final run you have to go over6g to get the last 20/30 points for sure my meant was playing with mem first witch can give you over 200 pts then go with cpu

I can't go so low on the mems with my "pot", so I'm safe .

I know that mem clock can't be compared across platforms, but expect them to run 2600+ on slack timings.

Getting the Veloce tonight, so I will check again. Can do 2600 easy.

On this platform 1200 7-10-7 was impossible on air, had to set 8-10-8/8-11-8.

As you can see from my sub I haven't pushed the cpu hard yet. I was mainly playing with mem and gpu, but had a benching wall at 1290MHz for the memory no matter which divider I was using.

Anyway, it was just the first test..I'm more than 1 week behind you guys, due to the bios update failure.

Edit: Just tested with 2x8 Geil Veloce 2400C11 and I can load Windows at 2600, but it's unstable just like with PSC, no way I can run 3d. 2570 XMP is fine for full 3dmark run, while 2600 even with a lot slacker timings just barely loads windows.

Pretty sure it's the IMC.

Edit2: Absolutely the same with Adata 1600G (BFR).

Geesh, bought a brand new asrock board with brand new 6800 chip.. made the mistake of putting Vaseline in the board and of course no read out on the post screen. Seriously, a first for me... so much for this comp for me..

what about post code?

this is all I got, all chips are dead now which is that nature of AMD. Goodluck guys! Keep pushing.

Seems as though if you push over 1.9 on these 6800k they will finish the session and then be dead when you try them again on air

APU is a different animal and I have almost no experience with them. However seems more fragile than Bulldozer/Vishera.

On the other hand Deneb was like a tank and withstands a heavy torture.

So you can't generalize like that

i killed 1 on 1.6v vcore and 1.65v nb. now i get distortion in even in post.

Don't go above 1.5 - 1.55V on the NB. I'd say 1.55V absolute max if you want your chip to have some chance of staying alive.

Don't remember the exact voltage Stilt said is the maximum, but it was somewhere in that range if I'm not mistaken.

I kill one cpu with 2,0v and kill one APU with 1,625v!

Blank post screen brand new board and chip

same for me burn 1 board and 2 chip

and no screen

Blank post screen brand new board and chip

nothing on the post code too?

Doesn't even light up

Dead chip symptom for me mang.

bios update Both A88 & A85 ex6

http://picx.xfastest.com/nickshih/bios/F288E6P130e.rar

http://picx.xfastest.com/nickshih/bios/FA85EX6201f.rar

added "APU TDP control option " disabled this one might help 3dmark benching

one more tips here .

please make sure the pwm is under well-cooling

using memory pot and keep it under -10~20 is the best way to bench 3D .

Link to ADATA SSD on prize page goes to kingston hyperX memory might want to fix

Fixed!

(can't believe someone actually clicked the link)

I kill one cpu with 2,0v and kill one APU with 1,625v!

My CPU also Rest In Peace after 3 hours benching and when i use 1.625V VNB suddenly post code showed 00 ...

bios update Both A88 & A85 ex6

 

http://picx.xfastest.com/nickshih/bios/F288E6P130e.rar

 

http://picx.xfastest.com/nickshih/bios/FA85EX6201f.rar

 

 

added "APU TDP control option " disabled this one might help 3dmark benching

 

 

one more tips here .

 

please make sure the pwm is under well-cooling

 

using memory pot and keep it under -10~20 is the best way to bench 3D .

Nick, thanks for the bios, but I have a problem with Extreme6.

My win7 installation was made with 01E. I've flashed 01F, but when I set BAPM to disabled Windows does not load, it freezes on the exact same place just before the Welcome screen. No bsod, board just restarts after 2-3 seconds. With BAPM enabled there's no problem.

Do I need to reinstall Windows with BAPM set to disabled?

BApm itself has no effect on Windows behavior.

Does it happen at the stock GPU frequency also?

Freezing during the welcome screen is usually because of a too high GPU frequency.

My CPU also Rest In Peace after 3 hours benching and when i use 1.625V VNB suddenly post code showed 00 ...

One cpu has distortion on screen even during post. 1.6vcore 1.65 vnb

one cpu post code stuck at b2. able to boot with discrete gpu. 1.575 vnb 1.9v vcore for validation.

no results...................

maybe wounded

BApm itself has no effect on Windows behavior.

 

Does it happen at the stock GPU frequency also?

 

Freezing during the welcome screen is usually because of a too high GPU frequency.

No, all frequencies are at stock. Voltages are set to 1.3/1.2 for cpu/gpu, because the LN2 bios sets them to 1.45/1.4. All unused features, C'n'Q and so on are turned off. RAM is set to XMP, but I've tried lowered frequency without luck.

With bapm turned on it's pretty stable and loads windows every time.

That's on air cooling.

I've also tried 400MHz gpu, ram at 1333, cpu at 3GHz.

PS: Guess I need C6 enabled. I had it on disabled.

Does the IMC scale more on ln2? My POS cpu can't get over 1220 stable on cascade and I have tried all of my different sticks (psc, samsung, hynix and a few that I don't know what chips they use).

Not much, about 30MHz or maybe even less for my apu.

That's what I thought...

anyone had experience with new bios A85X? tried disable TDP option and still had drop score issue at 1267 devider.. am i missing something? i'm stuck with 1169 gpu now..

anyone had experience with new bios A85X? tried disable TDP option and still had drop score issue at 1267 devider.. am i missing something? i'm stuck with 1169 gpu now..

Try other 3d driver.

Too much trouble with this board, I give up, remove insulation and put it in my HTPC.

Bios freeze every time after 30s with extreme bios (old et new one), same things with two cpu and 2 a85 board.

Need to activate C6 when TDP option are disable

Can't run higher than 1300.

PSC can boot @1300c8, but can't bench higher than 1250.

CFR can boot @1300+, but can't bench higher than 1280 (1.8v @-80 c10..)

5 OS corrupted with only 2 session

I don't know if A88 is better, or if i'm unlucky with my a85, or if i'm to stupid, but it's enough for me.

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Thanks Hiwa for sharing.

The only new "tweak" i found is to keep only one core /module for GT and especially for combined (+50pt), and 4cores for physyx.

I tried scheduler patch, it's better for some GT, but worst for other so don't use it.

1.0.1 is faster for physX, and as good as 1.0.5 for GT, so 1.0.1 is the way to go

2stick (dual) is better than 4stick

Good luck to every one

Wiz, it's the IMC of your APU.

First APU was max 1290, second one good for around 1400 9-12-11.

Board is flawless for me, except that only 1169 multi gets me okayish scores.

Try higher VDDP.

Hazzan is untouchable for me

I can't spend more time , to busy... and next session it will be to late for this competition, so i'm definitely out.

did you try to "combined" the stilt patch + nick bios for your multi issue ? GL

Wiz, it's the IMC of your APU.

First APU was max 1290, second one good for around 1400 9-12-11.

Board is flawless for me, except that only 1169 multi gets me okayish scores.

Try higher VDDP.

 

Hazzan is untouchable for me

yes its all about imc's ...

found good one, boot on air @2760mhz but only 2666mhz C10-12-12-28 stable

unfortunately i dont have BFR sticks so i use MFR sticks but performance is little bit slower than BFR ...

Point=APU IMC!