525 pts steponz

Start post, questions and updates will be pinned here

06.02.

Use of different cpus (eg 4790k stage 2, 4930K stage 3 and so on) is allowed as long as all match the i7 criteria and the listed hardware at rules

hey bro, Ivi bridge-e (socket 2011) is allowed ?,

Ivy-e and Haswell-e are allowed, I7 is limit

Thanks Michael, so 4930k is ready , well i think, aleluya !!!

The XTU stage should not be: result/core like last year?

The XTU stage should not be: result/core like last year?

Should be if your allowed 16 threads on the job!

We discuss this, personally I would prefer this stage divided by cores and cinebench full out not divided, this would level things between 2011 and other platforms. Will keep you updated, but you can bench anyway until this is decided, Franco

Already bench [emoji2] . Thanks

Are we still allowed in multiple divisions this year

Yes, I see no change at general rules for challenger divisions, so it should be ok

The Stage XTU ans tha stage cinebench, is wrong because all those who are equipped with i7 - 4 cores have no chance against the i7 2011 and 2011v3.

I made a task, it might get divided by cores, we will see - but the stages are mixed, we have also 32m for example which is definitely much better for non 2011

I made a task, it might get divided by cores, we will see - but the stages are mixed, we have also 32m for example which is definitely much better for non 2011

When should we expect a definitive answer?

Pieter is on the road, CN unavailable, can be until monday, but I hope it works faster, so that it is clear asap

The Stage XTU ans tha stage cinebench, is wrong because all those who are equipped with i7 - 4 cores have no chance against the i7 2011 and 2011v3.

but it is division 1, the absolute highest division there is so I don't see why 5960x should be handicapped. For some reason whenever we divide by cores the 5960x can't compete because I guess the scaling goes down after a certain amount of cores. The scaling really isn't right so it's unfair to divide by cores.

it's not like a 5960x automatically scores double compared to 4790k so when you divide by twice as many cores it's not fair really.

They also chose 32m and they chose catzilla which you can still get a great score with a 4core. And they also chose heaven which actually prefers z170 over x99.

I mean we are talking about division 1.

If we do divide by amount of cores we need to give the higher core cpus some sort of a modifier to make it fair.

Why make a 5960x uncompetitive in division 1.

Therefore limited only to the Division 1 i7 quad core.

And the problem will be resolved.

Because I do not think the only one to think that for the XTU course, the i7 quad core, have no opportunity to pass, socket face 2011-2011v3.

Ditto for Cinebench R15.

On the other challange, it was not divide the number of cores, so why not this channlange there?

Therefore limited only to the Division 1 i7 quad core.

And the problem will be resolved.

Because I do not think the only one to think that for the XTU course, the i7 quad core, have no opportunity to pass, socket face 2011-2011v3.

Ditto for Cinebench R15.

On the other challange, it was not divide the number of cores, so why not this channlange there?

I'm all for cheaper cpu's and I have a bunch but I have had this 5960x for awhile now and every contest divides by amount of cpu cores and totally takes the 5960x out of contention.

Just like you said all the past comps have done it by core so maybe one time it would be nice for a change to go all out. Also it wasn't in the rules at the beginning otherwise I probably would have chose different cpu.

Also there are 3 other stages where the 4 core cpus have an advantage or are close to equal, so I think it's kind of interesting

next time maybe they should do 4 divisions.

Div I - extreme cpus

Div II - i7 quad core

Div III - i5

Div IV - i3

Therefore limited only to the Division 1 i7 quad core.

And the problem will be resolved.

Because I do not think the only one to think that for the XTU course, the i7 quad core, have no opportunity to pass, socket face 2011-2011v3.

Ditto for Cinebench R15.

On the other challange, it was not divide the number of cores, so why not this channlange there?

I completely understand what your saying, the only real problem I have is that it wasn't in the rules from the beginning, I spent a whole night benching based on the rules I read before I started. And if we do add a per core score then we need to address the scaling issue after 2 cores because everyone knows that cpus don't scale perfectly per core, so dividing the score per core isn't really that fair.

Is it ok to use different CPU's for the stages? For example a 4770k for stage 2 and a 5960x for stage 3, or are we locked into the same CPU for all stages?

No restriction on this, you can use different i7 cpus for different stages

No restriction on this, you can use different i7 cpus for different stages

This is exactly why I agree with SI's idea of having 4 Intel stages, I would bet big money that the winner is someone who has an 8 core and 4 core i7. So it's as much about spending money as it is skill because anyone with only K sku cpu's has zero chance of winning, and this is a well known fact. Div. 1 is not for Pro or Elite only and for the average serious overclocker finding a good clocking K sku i7 with a strong imc is already daunting enough, and now we gotta go spend $1500+ to even be in the conversation. Another thing as well is last year you could compete without having to buy a $700 gpu especially in Div. 2 & 3, now you have to buy a 980ti to win the Pentium/i3 or core i5 classes. Not a good way to attract newcomers, I thought that was a big part of this years mission or is that only for the World Tour?

The rules are the rules. The comp has started and now the rules might change? Seriously? wtf.

Cool, who do I apply to to get the cost of hardware for the comp refunded....

The rules are the rules. The comp has started and now the rules might change? Seriously? wtf.

 

Cool, who do I apply to to get the cost of hardware for the comp refunded....

I don't think they are going to change, like you said the comp started almost a week ago. I just think they need to think about what they are doing a bit more, to me it seems like this was thrown together last second simply to make the deadline. I don't think they should change it right now as rule changes shouldn't be made during an active event

This is the ferrari division, you can discuss about it for sure. But we have seven divisions which is the limit of our capacities atm, we also have to integrate amd, retro, and mobile because people want it, so three new-gen intel divsions have to do it. If you want to play it cheaper, there are enough alternatives for sure

This is exactly why I agree with SI's idea of having 4 Intel stages, I would bet big money that the winner is someone who has an 8 core and 4 core i7. So it's as much about spending money as it is skill because anyone with only K sku cpu's has zero chance of winning, and this is a well known fact. Div. 1 is not for Pro or Elite only and for the average serious overclocker finding a good clocking K sku i7 with a strong imc is already daunting enough, and now we gotta go spend $1500+ to even be in the conversation. Another thing as well is last year you could compete without having to buy a $700 gpu especially in Div. 2 & 3, now you have to buy a 980ti to win the Pentium/i3 or core i5 classes. Not a good way to attract newcomers, I thought that was a big part of this years mission or is that only for the World Tour?

I do agree with the i3 and i5 stages allowing any gpu, because of course there will be people submitting with 980 ti in those stages.

We almost need like a gentlemens agreement and nobody should submit 980 ti in those stages, haha.

But I think for right now the staff has done a great job and there are a ton of comps going on for all different types of hardware, plus they limit xtu stage to 4ghz which helps non-ln2 people. They have tweakers challenges going on and old school, so I think things are moving in a cool direction.

The more I think about it oc esports does seem like the future. because once the points are part of our ranking they can make any piece of hardware viable and worth points. Just like the tweakers challenge or they can make a cheap gpu challenge and since it's worth points it makes that cheap hardware worth something. it's cool. They could do a 970 challenge and then all of the sudden 970's are worth benching.

I just don't think it's fair to change any rules once a comp has started. I would be saying that even if I didn't bench already. I spent a lot of money on my scores based on the starting rules.

For stage 1 how do make a XTU in 2000 with i7 (4770K / 4790K etc ..) to max 4/8 ???

facing the 5xxx i7 socket 2011?

It's totally impossible!

So unbalanced placement basis Advent begin!

This is not how HWBOT, will bring in new on the site!

For stage 1 how do make a XTU in 2000 with i7 (4770K / 4790K etc ..) to max 4/8 ???

facing the 5xxx i7 socket 2011?

It's totally impossible!

So unbalanced placement basis Advent begin!

This is not how HWBOT, will bring in new on the site!

It's DIV 1 FFS!!!! Quit moaning!!!!!

Challenger Series - ***"ROAD TO PRO"***

i.e, you need the hardware and ability to compete at this level!!!!

If you've not got the above then this comp isn't for you and stop whining about it!

Hehe,

Hwbot dumbed me here automatically with my 2600k. So no worries about getting lower scores, I think I have that covered. Even my 4.5GHz ain't anymore stable to run all benchmarks with old thermal paste.

So this is Ferrari division? Sorry I brought A lada and hammered a wooden rear wing wing on it.

Love the wing, lol

Having problems to fix runtime error 13 on hwbot heaven benchmark... changing keyboard to UK and locale to UK had no effect.

1 Lada coming up:

http://hwbot.org/submission/3149778_sl06bhytmar_cpu_frequency_core_i7_2600k_4653.27_mhz

Note to self: Do not ever again buy Zotac ITX board for overclocking

Do you have pll override enabled ?

Can someone point me to the rule that 'generally forbids' a 6600K ES sample from the Challenger DivII Round 1 competition?

http://oc-esports.io/#!/round/roadtopro_challenger_season2_division2_round1

probably would have been best to specifically exclude ES samples in the limitations.

okay - found it. why this would apply to a product already available at the retail level is hard to understand: "currently available in shops". My specific 6600KES was a lab test animal subjected to brutal punishment - hence it's very poor MHz per mV performance as can be seen in the blocked sub.

http://hwbot.org/submission/3128714_jpmboy_superpi___32m_core_i5_6600k_6min_18sec_674ms

ES are always not allowed for competition unless explicitly allowed, and due to the fact that we had generations on which engineering samples dominated, current generation ES are only allowed for Elite league. Sorry I had to annoy you by blocking results, but there was no room for interpretation

Do you have pll override enabled ?

I Have that now with latest BIOS (was supposed to be only Ivy-bridge microcode update). The feature list didn't mention that lots of new features so probably have to redo all tests at some point.

Basically motherboard now has PLL Overvoltage enabled, loadline calibration, static vcore etc

Could I get someone to add my sub http://hwbot.org/submission/3165753_ to Div I XTU. The HWBot page doesn't recognize my SS and the submission from OCesports just won't work. The page won't load for me I have tried multiple browsers and 3 different PCs, 1 at work and 2 at home ???

Go to the eoc page, the "submissions" tab, scroll down and try to enter with the submit score button there

edit

please let me know if it works, if not I will make a task to add it

Edit 2 is it possible that you try to submit the screenshot under system picture?^^

Yes i PUT THE ss UNDER SYSTEM PIC AS THERE IS NO OPTION FOR ss IN xtu SUB. Damn caps lock. The eOC subs were all from the submit button aty the bottom. I can't get the first page to load to even enter any info.

You went with the submissions Tab at Division I and scrolled down to submit there? Worked so far.. anyway, I made a task that the result shall be added, should happen tomorrow

I'll try it again.

In IE it just doesn't load and I get an oops. In Chrome it says IE is outdated but this machine is using IE11

no one works.

I just uploaded to this comp without problems the way I told you to do before. Seems it works for some people

Either you don´t understand what I explained or there is another problem that occurs for you

http://hwbot.org/submit/competition/roadtopro_challenger_season2_division1_round1

I'm pretty sure I understand. From HWBot XTU doesn't give the option to attach a SS. I also tried submission from the competition page multiple times. I tried from work on two different browsers in Win7. I also tried from home with two different PCs one win7 the other Win8.1 and all of them give me the same problem. The submission page just won't open. I have always had problems with OCeSports submissions so I would submit from HWBot and link it to the comp. Works for most but XTU it would not. If XTU at HWBot had option to attach a SS then I would have been OK I think.

TThanks for getting the submission into the comp for me though . I appreciate it.

No problem, this was meant seriously, from some pcs submit works, from others it doesn´t, so I wanted to be sure I explained it ok - very annoying situation for us all

Not the first time for me and likely not the last. I'm going to try another XTU tonight so we'll see if I can get the submission tab here to work.

We applied a fix yesterday, it can ne a few minutes downtime sometimes, but it should work reliable now, and I hope it stays this way, on all buttons and options to submit at eocsports