MSI MOA 2012 AM Qualifier
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- MSI MOA 2012 AM Qualifier is closed since 11 May 2012
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Stages
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Stage 1 -
3DMark11 Performance
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Stage 2 -
3DMark03
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Stage 3 -
SuperPI 32M
Ranking
| Rank | Participant | 3DMark11 Performance | 3DMark03 | SuperPI 32M |
PTS
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| 1 | 60 pts | 25 pts | 10 pts | 95 pts | |
| 2 | 43 pts | 18 pts | 9 pts | 70 pts | |
| 3 | 38 pts | 16 pts | 7 pts | 61 pts | |
| 4 | 36 pts | 15 pts | 7 pts | 58 pts | |
| 5 | 33 pts | 14 pts | 6 pts | 53 pts | |
| 6 | 31 pts | 12 pts | 6 pts | 49 pts | |
| 7 | 28 pts | 13 pts | 5 pts | 46 pts | |
| 8 | 26 pts | 11 pts | 4 pts | 41 pts | |
| 9 | 24 pts | 10 pts | 4 pts | 38 pts | |
| 10 | 21 pts | 9 pts | 3 pts | 33 pts | |
| 11 | 19 pts | 8 pts | 3 pts | 30 pts | |
| 12 | 16 pts | 7 pts | 2 pts | 25 pts | |
| 13 | 14 pts | 6 pts | 1 pts | 21 pts | |
| 14 | 12 pts | 5 pts | 0 pts | 17 pts | |
| 15 | 15 pts | 15 pts | |||
| 16 | 9 pts | 9 pts | |||
| 17 | 8 pts | 8 pts | |||
| 18 | 1 pts | 1 pts |
Comp limited to a specific CPU type? .. just want to make sure ..
"participance is according to the participant’s nationality. Ex: a citizen of Canada can only participate at the America Region Qualifier."
This is an important rule to make sure people know about. If you hold an American passport but live in EU/Asia, you have to participate in this qualifier.
they'll track results by ip i think
So then Lightning 7970 is allowed, but only vanilla GTX-680
Correct!
(welcome back, Splave, lol, it's been a while)
could one use say a 2600k for pi and a 3960x for the 3D benches?
or do the CPU and mobo have to be the same for the whole benchmark suite?
yes for your 1st question.
no for your 2nd question.
you can use any cpu/platform.
This might be too early but I'm curious, last year the MOA finals and regional qualifiers were two person teams. Do we know if that will be the same this year?
Always that mobo and GPU be MSI brand.
Yep thats what the rules say. Just read the rules lol
I'm not complaining but since there's no regionals it could be five teams of each online qualifier.
Anyway time to bench a lot and have tons of fun! =)
Well i have to pass this one, im pretty sure that will be very diffcult to any of the Latin America people to win this competition and not due to economics or other money-related but due to hardware avaibity, the NA people will have the advantage when Ivy will be released and by the time we get the Ivy CPUs the competition finished.
Lets wait for Lords of Overclocking.
ivy is not allowed for americas.
rbauss has 5.9 sandy
gunslinger has 5.9 sandy
dom has 5.9 sandy but has bad sp32m efficiency hahahah
Lol, and you dont have a decent SB cpu at this time....
Where is stated that Ivy is not allowed to the competition? (it is only 1 rule against the use of noncomercial hardware, but what happen when Ivy will hit retail?).
Saint you dont even have a decent SB cpu so dont lol at me ahahahah.
Good luck Ronaldo!
check this thread for reference http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=38872
I have not tested mine totally...
I don't understand the scoring method. can someone kindly explain?
read this http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=38872
I don't know if all qualifiers will be the same (usually it's not), the american qualifier will be composed of three benchmarks, in each of them you get different scores depending on the ranking position that you achieve.
After that you sum the scores obtained in all three rankings and you get a final ranking. Top three in this final ranking at the Americas will qualify for the worldwide finals. the 4th and 5th places will get prizes and two lucky OCers will receive prizes too.
thanks mate good to be back
Welcome back to the competition, another hard competitor for all of you guys.
anyone know where you can get a lightning 7970 in the USA?
Swim the Pacific Ocean and there you are
Straight to the factory lol
Glad to see you back in action bro!
The only place I've seen them is on EBay.
I bet South America has plenty of stock though.
msi680+msi epowa lol
thanks mate, Yeah gunny I saw a couple $700 ones. I can wait I suppose, need to bin some 3930k in the mean time.
Yeah, in fact, im seeing availabe products in my local store...lol
estoy impaciente a la espera de lo que sera este competencia. Perfect hardware.
Not sure you can get a GTX 680 anywhere yet, or can you......
Oh...I don't know what is hardest...
To find hardware to compete or to win...lol
No way... ATM in Brazil still not Lightnings, neither GTX 680 (sometimes you can find in "Mercado Livre"...but informed that can delay about 20 days to arrive...lol)...
I will try with reference 7970 + Epower...
I got my Epower today...looks amazing
A little trip to Colombia can give you that Lightning...
This is turning out to be a big fail by MSI with lack of 7970 Lightning stock. :banana:
some pieces to the puzzle have arrived
Im not sure the z77 will be necessary with the z68a-GD80 doing quite well but better to be prepared.
Current best 3930k I have is x53, hopefully 1 or all of these 3 will be better.
PS
I don't really want to spoil your puzzle-fun, but I don't think those things match ...
(ps: the office!!)
they are just pieces
I have x79-GD65 on the way 
It might be worth it until you try to get back into the US. The border guards tend to get a little excited when they see Colombia on your passport.
The PS is the best! LOL
I'm on that way too, but bankruptcy left me no binned cpu options... I think the wise choice for me will be teaming up... So let's see.. this year it will be tough...
Getting started:
eKiller told me can find Lightning in Colombia (~USD650)...
I can not believe that is easier to find Lightning in Colombia than USA....lol
I wish we had fair taxes here in Brazil. I've worked months to be able to get those hardware. we pay double+shipping.
It would be great if Colombia has gone in a fair way with hardware. But it seems really hard to believe.
I wish Americas had more spots on ww finals, but let's fight for what we've got.
That's because not much people buy those models, in fact, one place is 100% confirmed that they have it and others two told me the same but I have not seen the GPU yet, a little more expensive than in the USA but who cares? Now we only need to find out a good bunch of CPUs
maybe this will be good for something?
.... Maybe not rofl
Green or red?
obviously a 680. check power connectors
Sorry, didn't see that. Maybe that 680 can give you good results and good options in the contest.
I think this is what Splave is going to do
its not a "maybe"
edit* ninja post above
The really competition looks like HD 7970 Lightning X EPowered GTX 680 ... lol
lol this guy
Someone said in a movie once (think James Bond) that you don't play your hand but the hand of the person across from you. So, with Splave showing us how deep his pockets are what does that tell you?
He does have some shiny gear, can't wait to see what it can do.
Well, if we are futurist...that Z77-GD65 is the price of 5th place, so, he will be 5th at the end of the competition.
How do I get a verification link to spi32m? I was reading the rules and got this confusion...
thx
Woops, fixed it
I think is good to be in the rules, if is allowed to cut screenshot to hide software was used, or if complete screenshot is needed. Only to prevent doubt.
Takes more than deep pockets
well maybe not as much as it used to but...Hope I get 3rd 
Doesn't matter how deep your pockets are; if there's no coin in it, you're broke anyway
So true it is.
I am so there with you bro. I just can't get any gear!!! This totally sucks. If i can't even submit an entry score i won't get lucky draw. Nevermind 3rd.
@massman
about 3dm11 do we need to follow futuremark rules regarding "disabling tessellation"? or HWBot rules apply?
HWBOT rules apply. There's no restriction on drivers either or so.
si senyor! gracias
Just a question, the two lucky draw 7770 are for all? I mean, all the participants have an opportunity or just the top 15 after cut-off.
For all participants.
OMG the standoff is over, As of this post there are two SuperPi scores ehehe.
Now are three.
I have no backups and my chip is dead (2 things in this sentence are not true)
Good news! The Lightning 7970 price has fallen $80 USD since the start of this competition.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127670
Bad news! It's still not in stock!
bahhhh! just use a reference gunny
nailed it!
ready to start phase 2
I think that you forgot those two letters...lol
I got a question:
On my best OS for SPi stage, the cpu-z doesn't show correctly the bus speed, so besides I got the correct multiplier, vcore, motherboard infos, RAM timmings, etc, the clock speed and RAM speeds are wrong. Can I use other software to show the correct speed with CPU-Z (requested by the rules) or even better can I simply use CPU-z even it shows the wrong clock?
The rules say that CPU-Z is mandatory, I'll use it, but I want to avoid issues since it cannot show all of the settings correctly.
Thanks
Good luck Splave, u dont use cooling in CPU,, thats cool!
seems pretty good on SS so far
hopefully my dewar will be ready tomorrow for fun this weekend.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2337554
Insane!! =)
looking extremely good for just a single stage, much better than all retail C1's, glad to see there are good SB-E chips floating around in retail now.
looking forward to your results under LN2 Splave.
Great! Happy weekend!
Not just saying this but GD65 is a champ! No problems cold booting -45c, never lost mulit's 125 strap boots right up etc. Hard to beat for the price
quiet thread is quiet.
Update, chip #2 = 5350mhz on water 1.58v. Will hit it and the last 2 chips this weekend with phase since no ln2.
I'll post it anyway later and see what happens... =/
gnidaol domination MOA...lol
why the "lol"? he's quite good and he's leading too.
You have to make sure CPU-Z is reading the frequencies correctly. Others can do it on a "super-tweaked" OS, so it's definitely possible.
I'm wondering where all the interest is? Lol maybe just sand bagers. Or maybe because there are no lightnings? Well there is eBay for $800 from Germany rofl!
Thanks for the answer. In fact it's not a super tweaked OS, but its a bug that I've been facing using 1155 cpus and the CPU-Z on windows 8.. but ok, I'll stick with the old xp. Thanks!
While the big guys arrives, including you...
Yeah, at least he is participating....
Maybe preparing all components and buying LN2 for the long competition.
Does it make a difference if i have a non MSI video card when i'm submitting a Super pi score?
No problem
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Cheaper : http://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/R7970-Lightning-1070-5600MHz-3072M-384bit-DDR5-PCI-/110865343049?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item19d016e249
Seems not to legit
please, be clear to me.
From my understanding, system points is:
1 phase:
3DMark11: 60 - 43,2 - 38,4 - 36 - 33,6 - 31,2 - 28,8 - 26,4 - 24 - 21,6 - 19,2 - 16,8 -
14,4 - 12 - 9,6 - 7,2 - 4,8 - 2,4 - 0 - 0 - ... 3DMark03: 25 - 18 - 16 - 15 - 14 - 13 - 12 - 11 - 10 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1 -
0 - 0 - ... SuperPI 32M: 15 - 10,8 - 9,6 - 9 - 8,4 - 7,8 - 7,2 - 6,6 - 6 - 5,4 - 4,8 - 4,2 - 3,6 - 3 -
2,4 - 1,8 - 1,2 - 0,6 - 0 - 0 - ...
after, the 15 winners go to second phase, and his points will be:
3dmark11
First place: 20
points Second place: 16
points Third place: 12
points Fourth place: 8
points Fifth place: 4 points
3dmark03
First place: 20
points Second place: 16
points Third place: 12
points Fourth place: 8
points Fifth place: 4 points
Spi 32
First place: 20
points Second place: 16
points Third place: 12
points Fourth place: 8
points Fifth place: 4 points
So, who amount more points in all stages will be the 1st...second more points is 2nd...and so one...
We discuss here about it...because we see non sense to simply cut 15 best guys (why cut)... please let me understand how will be the points to second phase.
Thanks
1. Sp32m is simply cpu. Hence the low percentage (15%).
2. 3DM11 is the bonus round. Do well here and you get the extra points. MSI decided this is the Benchmark To WIN
3. 3DM03 is the combination of CPU and GPU (25%) goes to this.
There is sense to cut top15. Hence this is a competition.
We had it discussed and we couldn't get to a point so we preferred to open the discussion to the community.
I thought that it's one competition from the begging to its ends, just with one special thing to avoid sandbaggers that everybody should post scores until May 4th, from there only the best 15 will continue to be able to post new scores but the old scores continue being valid and the ranking would be the same like it was before.
We had this point of disagreement due to the competition points shown on the right bar, where says that the first place will get 20points and so on. That ranking being shown there made some of us think that before the May 4th points would be (60/25/15) and after that, a new contest would start between the top 15 where the scores would be that one on the right bar (20 for first place).
I just want to have anyone from the hwbot stuff clarifying the rules.
I know that its written there, but it's an americas' competition so the majority of allowed people to take place don't have English as native language and our educational system doesn't care about that at all. I think that a little explanation could let us really glad.
Thanks!
Disable cores for the SP stage is allowed?
The point scheme remains the same throughout the competition; it doesn't matter when the best 3dmark11 score was posted, it will always get the full 60p.
After the elimination, only the best 15 overal ranked will be allowed to continue submitting results to the competition. This is to avoid sand-bagging until the very last minute.
The points on the right are indeed confusing and should be ignored/pulled.
Yes.
How the hell I get the verification link on 3DMark03? I ran all test without Internet connection and while 3DMark11 give me the option to upload the file in another rig, I can't find that option on 3DMkar03...
download the latest...sysinfo from futuremark
Done but still not give me the option to upload the file.
Isn't '03 unsupported for links ?
I seem to remember the oldest supported is now '05 but I could be mistaken.
Never mind guys, I found it
All version 3dmark11 acceptable?
Yes, but subtest details need to be visible in the screenshot (v1.0.0 didn't show them).
thanks!
It would be nice if some lightnings were available in the U.S.of A.
Lol...I can change a sealed HD 7970 Lightning against 3930K @ 57XX Mhz... who wanna change...lol
You say that like you have one
^ I do
but it was not cheap and not from the USA rofl! This is getting expensive quick! 
Lol =)
Good lord i wish i had one.
I think MSI should extend the timeline. It really is bad that there is no MSI hardware out there thats worth buying for the competition.
Good lord i wish i had one.
I think MSI should extend the timeline. It really is bad that there is no MSI hardware out there thats worth buying for the competition.
And in my country those GPUs are for immediate delivery...my problem is: not have the money for buy it.... lol
Hey gnidaol, I think you need to install the 3dmark sysinfo for the run to be valid
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3224635 no information is provided from the link
If it is okay I hope massman will chime in and say so. (not being an asshole would just hate to see it get rejected in the end, im sure you will make a better score before then)
Yeah, I noticed that already... I took that care of that on my backups, It's a valid HWBOT score but don't has the sysinfo enabled. I saw that rule few days after posting it. I won't change that score because of boints for now, but I'm aware that in the end it won't count for MOA.
I'll post another one later. Thanks again for the advice.
its enable/disable on the last tab.
Exactly!
Hey I can't find the system info rule anymore. Can anyone share the link to it?
As far as I've looked by my self there's no restriction on disabling it.
It's on the general competition page
"A verification link is required (systeminfo must be available!) "
Thanks massman! I found it again! =)
Some times it can be confusing not having all rules in one place.
One of these day RBUASS almost made me crap my pants saying that maybe the wall paper for each benchmark could be slightly different and I was running the benchs without picking the one of each page =P
Hwbot has its tricks... Every MOA I applied I saw people being disqualified due these small tricks..
No problem, would hate to see something stupid like that keep someone out of the finals!
Good scores guys.....where are the other people?
1 out of 5 is good chances for luck draw haha ! keep them away
I don't have the necessary gear to compete, not sure why others are not trying. If we would have known the hardware requirements sooner it would have helped tremendously. I think we only had a 2 week notice or something close to that.
I've got an MSI Z77 board but it hates my 2500K (so did another brand Z77 board I have)
I don't have an MSI X79 or MSI GPU, and the only MSI GPU's available in the USA need extensive mods to have a chance at the top 3.
You have the hw, even you are 1st at this moment. I agree with you 50%, knows the limitations give us the posibility to buy the hardware but also gives to the top guys the same posibility. My scores was uploaded with a gpu that only had three days, my mobo is a P67 chipset....i dont care that, I will do the best that i can in the sp stage and maybe if i can buy a new gpu i will do the same for the 1st and 2nd stage.
True that, I will try my 1st gpu volt mod soon...
Lol come on guys, let's get this thread back on task. Although I do enjoy the occasional bait and flame this is not the spot.
Lightning is not warranty to get a good chip...
My best card reached about 1700 Mhz 3DM11 (I killed because it has a crap PWM easy to kill)...
Lightning we tested can not go neither near this clock (crap chip)...
Will test GTX 680 + Epower, but afraid I have no software to increase the clocks and good BIOS to NGTX680.
Hard times to hold a place ... lol
Yeah, I'm thinking the same as Rbuass. Not entirely sure a lightning is really needed to play here ... perhaps it's a safer bet considering the OCP mods blow up the PWM of reference cards. But in raw clocks ... not sure.
Yea...
I have no good weapons ATM, and the only I found was a GTX 680.
It just ready to combat, but still not tested at LN2 (waiting next recharge).
Hardmodded by rbuass and schenckel bros
Thanks to TiN to share the mods (with a lit bit more spicy caps and chokes).
I hope the card cen be near KP and TiN results...lol
ohh boy, you started with this competition....
that looks so ugly with that strapped on it lol! (but I bet it clocks like crazy) good luck mate.
Alot of hard work there, good spirit and attitude for competition.
Not easy to hold a place, cause we have lots of great overclockers fighting. You can be sure I hope to see you there friend...almost sure OCA guys will represent USA there.
I am not sure the official BIOS from this GTX680 will work well at sub-zero...and not sure the Afterburner or EVGA Precision can give me good clocks (if the card agree to fly high... lol)
Crazy mods Ronaldo! Live stream benching? We wanna watch:D
I can not forget the effort to my friends from Team that will fight to try to hold a place in MOA.
Schenkel Bros (Jacson and Cleiton) and Gnidaol.
They are all working hard..and they're really great overclockers, and many more than overclockers... very good friends.
http://www.hardwarebr.com/forum/showthread.php?5313-Mega-Evento-de-Overclocking-Extremo-dia-21-04-2012/page14
Bench sessions at last saturday....was amazing
so your lightning sucks? no 1700mhz?
The link for the desktop back ground isn't working and i havn't downloaded it yet. lol
1700???...1700 was a good card... the place is your with 1700 Mhz
http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//MOA2012-AM-Qualifier-wallpaper_1920x1080px_0403_V.jpg
Massman, can you please check the points engine? It's only giving me points for 1st and 2nd stage but not for 3rd one. In future will affect the guys that take my place... lol
finally playing with lightning!
will post 3d03 in a bit
Splave's 200K 03 hold 1st place...lol
P.S. We tested a Lightning but was not good....impossible to try MOA
Limited to 1600...1610 mhz and bad RAMs.
not yet! Feel asleep with my wife on the couch watching TV at 5pm on a friday night. Pretty sad for 24 years old huh
Got everything installed at home and will take back to the office for ln2, or maybe just the stock coolers?? hehe
stock cooler does pretty good on those cards, and I really like the dual purpose design keeping the GPU and VRM/MEM on separate rails.
looking good Splave.
I see a big competition before the cut-off.
@Rbuass: Your Lightning will ship at Sunday as late, so, the Monday you can have it in your hands. Good luck and go for the 1st place.
Thanks Saint19; I hope I got a good Lightning...
I think that MSI could on next MOA qualifier give prizes to the one who stands for more time on the lead. =P
It would be a nice incentive for people keep posting higher scores before the cutoff.
Also could give prizes for the first three to submit scores, and other stuff like that.
The prize don't need to be expensive hardware, just a MSI flash drive or T-shirt would be a great incentive.
I could second that.
Yea i'm not a big fan of the sandbagger either. But thats what has happened in all of the contests. No one wants to post up a score.
they're busy most likely, I wanted to bench this saturday but i'm currently at work
I'm benching today, but sadly am getting pwn'ed by the "You are not considered awesome by MSI" limitation.
*grumble grumble
I had to take my wife to the OPERA tonight
my little sister was performing in "The Marriage of Figaro"
So no benching from me
Yea and you were texting me from the Opera. Not paying attention to the Opera
Haha indeed I was lol it was 4 hours long, she would understand. Best part was when my wife turns to me and says I'm so glad you're a real man
lmao
loooool
And I thought she must be used to taking a life size cutoff of you to movies/operas,
, and be happy with that, 
Does that mean you will be a 'real man' at many more future opera's?
Interesting... Rbuass using win8 for 32M.
Doesn't look that impressive yet, but maybe worth trying
How much of the big guys aren't yet in the rank?
getting hotter in here
Splave is a serious candidate to Taiwan...
I worked hard to get a good 3DMark11, but I really had lots of problems with my X79 GD65... Its no more working...
No ln2 for me until Thursday, hopefully early in the day before it's over & I get knocked down 20 places.
But still no MSI x79 board in sight, will likely get my ass kicked in 3d11. But still fun to try...
I hope u find a replacement. I have to test reference card still and I want to see if I can hit 14k with gtx680 with 3d11.
14K???...I think you typed wrong....15K is possible to you
Thats funny. I can't get any LN2 until Thursday either. And i need a new 7970 since i burned mine up. lmao
rbuass when will you submit this one?
http://3dmark.com/3dm03/6467303
haha good catch! .. knowing your enemy is half the work huh
BUT perhaps he wanted me to find this
mind blown lmao
anyways testing 680 on ln2 this afternoon and modding reference 7970 to see if it can compete with my lightning
Submitted before the Z68 GD65 kill my chip running SPi32.
The result of 03 was good, but not enough if I can not fly high the 3DMArk11.
P.S. not enemy Me4me... I am only trying to hold one of the 3 places to MOA...
your chip is dead? OUCH!very sorry to hear this
And rbuass, I consider you a friend yes
This battle has being really expensive and some of the hardware lost is irreplaceable, I really hope that our sacrifices were not in vain.
GTX-680 reference will not do the trick, very difficult to bench..... -55c is CB lmao
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3320417
did you do the CB mod provided by Tin?
Maybe a special bios is needed.
I have same issues here...red screen after red screen...
no because im flucking retarded
w00ps
too many cards to bench, getting sloppy and rushing through things. I'll knock that resistor off and try again in the morning.
+1 there bud.
Hi,
I have a doubt.
Why is my submission SuperPI 32M with "0" points??
Thanks...
Fixed
Thanks....
did the mod, it gave me -5c more lol! is there a special bios?
Hi Splave...regardless you are my competitor ATM...please share the bios if you have one
... I think you will keep your place in TW for sure.
I will gladly post in thread if there is bios
level playing field. I did not try card with OCP mod yet, and tin said that you cannot short the resistor for CB but must remove it completely so i will try this afternoon and give my findings.
Wasn't the resistor a 0-ohm resistor anyway? ... shorting makes it 0+0=0 ..
yes
I removed it instead and works at -75c idle okay over -110 is freaks out. Problem now is even though its colder clocks are still the same limit. 1.62v is maximum or red screen and power is not stable enough to complete GT1 sooo I will retire this gtx-680 and focus on lightning
Interesting. So no OCP, no burned mosfets .. but instead, red screens?
Damn, want to try GTX680 myself
about what I saw from your Lightning...It is able to go to crazy clocks ;_
how dramatic, top 15 will move on.....there are only 15 lol I think that maybe there needs to be a meeting to discuss new rules for next year.
I was thinking the same, only 15 participants and after cut-off only the best 15 can continue.
rofl dramatic. some will get eliminated. last minute submissions for sure.
Maybe, only until last minute we can know that...
Lol! Socket A ftw
i hope there's not alot of late sandbaggers. That would be dreadful to the ones that are actually participating. New rules = participation from the start of some sort.
Been playing 3d11 physics test all day, finally have memory and chip singing
Tomorrow will show some 3d11 with lightning.
Hopefully there aren't too many sandbagging, z77-gd55 just went to hardware heaven & no other msi boards on hand to play with today.
^ sorry to hear this, hopefully you can replace soon!
I did try and try to improve the results, ... , I really never used a motherboard like this... zilions of issues with 2 identical boards (X79 GD65)... and put RAM...remove RAM...put VGA...remove VGA... put RAM... remove RAM... remove CPU... put CPU... and finally... the motherboard is death... I don't know if is to laugh or to cry...lol
1h30 minutes left, who is still benching ?
I think people give up easy first time after to bench a X79 GD65...lol
@Rbuass: Hey bro, do you have the GPU?
Good luck in the final days guys...
Yes...I got the Lightning, but unfortunately I lose 2 x boards X79 GD65 that death alone... not recommended ever
Well, you still have very good options. My P67 isn't good and my CPU seems a little "crap"
Seems like USA overclockers where mostly sandbagging ... 2minutes left, +2 USA in the top 15.
all right, so .. so far close to 50/50 for each side of America. Very nice, makes it even more interesting!
http://www.overclocking-tv.com/content/news/13798/moa-2012-americas-elimination-day-hits/
Nice as usual XYALA... Overclocking TV is the best
dont blame you p67 motherboard, blame your luck! a very good CPU was needed in this competition to take a chance.
Sure you didn't just get two bad boards, or condensation issues?
Tried the X79-GD65 a while ago .. had no problems with it whatsoever. Only thing that bugged me at that point what immature software, so couldn't change bclock/multiplier in windows lol
gd65-z79 was flawless in my case. easy 1.25 strap.
Yeah, the only X79A-GD65 I had here was pretty solid too. 162BCLK with 2600MEM no sweat. Still my favorite X79 board I think (even better than my XPower)
If elimination takes place after, let's say, 3 days ... then sandbaggers will submit the 3rd day anyway.
It is really solid, but I don't know why, I got three of those on heaven now =( It can't be insulation problems. Each of those has different behavior, one got leds but nothing happens when you press the power button, the another one spins the fans very shortly but no beeps or debug codes and the third one powers up, post is really slow, bios is really lagged and cannot load any OS in any mode even in stock config....
On SB side the Z68 GD80 showed up more powerfull than any other sb board that I've ever tried, got highest clocks, highest bclk, (high vdrop as well =P) but it got a burnt mosfet =( The sad part is that it wasn't benching when it fired up, I was just opening the control center II =( and took the CPU with it, and the cpu took down two maximus (IV and V) that I used to check if it was dead too... I was bankrupt at the beginning, now besides being broke I'm almost outta mobos =(
Really liking the x79-GD65 8D
x56 1.575v -28c 1.20vCCIO 1.22vCCSA is briliant!
Rubass you make me drop big 03 score early, I do not like being #2 lol and sand bagging is no fun
Yeah dad... lol, CPU only hits 5.1GHz, above that voltage isn't enough and BIOS won't give me the option to add more that 1.5V to CPU.
You already have a 200K score...
Now I do!
It is a shame that golden chip = winners, to be totally honest with really nice chips/cards it does not take very much skill. (superpi 32m is a partial exception.)
I get to flip a switch on a SS unit and play at 5.95 all day no problem for 32m and 03....that is not skill that is binning 60 chips on my newegg credit card...
So noone should feel bad, we are all doing the best we can with what we have at hand and all participants should be proud of their efforts!
Don't worry Splave, I have no more work here.
My 2600K be killed by the Z68-GD80....and unfortunately, after the board is death, I did test the CPU in the Maximus 5 Gene and CPU melt a socket pin (thats completely unlucky).
Gnidaol just explained and same to me.
Here we have lots and lots of issues... since motherboard death alone, to "vanish" RAM channel, to stop in BIOS post 60 (alone) ... to "do not work sometimes in stock" ... etc ... etc ... etc.
I think can be "mine" 2 units... or the units (or serial) that comes to Brazil, because Gnidaol got lots of issues too.
"binning 60 chips on my newegg credit card..." .... that's a dream no all Brazilian people that like hardware to buy on Newegg...thats really a hardware paradise we can not buy
@splave excellent job as usual; I hope I can get a place to MOA ans see you there.... ATM I have no a great 3DM11 score and after look for a MSI X79 in all Brazil and noticed it is not available in all country.
Congratz
Well, I'm very happy now. My 1st time on a MOA elimination, with my 1st Intel CPU in 10 years and I'm in the top 15, maybe isn't a big thing for you but for me is enough
:) 
Splave its ok im not complaining, its not your fault, i know buying and binning cpus it requires effort and dedication (Time and Money, lots of money) but to be Honest MSI in POV had to wait Ivy Bridge Launch or just picked a benchmarks that no are not much CPU dependent. (3D03 an Spi32m are). Good Luck to the people who is still in the battle.
Agree...
I don't. Whether it's SB or IB, it's the same for everybody. Handpicking of CPUs will always be needed.
The one argument for IB would be that it's more fun, but hey .. that's not MSI;s problem, and they probably have a schedule to hold on to.
+ 1 Me4Me
I think they are right...they helped people that have no acess to Ivy Before;;;
I will post 11 this afternoon
Thought I killed my lightning getting dE postcode trying to boot it last night but it was just a bit wet w00t
My work to MOA just ended....
I looked for new X79 to try to improve my results, but is not available in all Brazil...
3DMark11 result is really needed to decide the winners... I hope my results is enough to earn a ticktet to TW.
In wich way they helped the people. Most people sold their good SB before launch to get some $$$$ before those Golden lost their value, also if they "Wanted to help" they should wait before launch because a regular IB does 6100 - 6500 and thats good enough for 3D03 and with some tweking good enough for SPI32M.
I Follow the idea of they have a Schedule to follow, and they cant run multiples regional competitions at the same time. i dont think their Wanted to Help anyone!.
out of juice!
Hopefully can fill back up tomorrow.
It got awful quiet in here.
I think there's a reason for that ...
yeah, when its silent, it stinks hard lol
-le fart
Splave-domination!!!
^ there is still 2 more days
2 days in which are very difficult find a good CPU and good GPU for beat that scores...
Bring home the gold Sprave!
I got lucky that I did not sell SB yet, and only had to purchases 10 3930k to find this one
on RunMC single stage -45c
it is too cold, chip does not like -30c or more to run actual benchmarks.
-45c single stage passes physics x54 at 1.55v and fails x55 up to 1.61v
-28c ln2 passes physics x56 1.575v no problem
I have to admit, x79a-GD65 is a pretty nice and easy to bench board. Not too many settings which is not always bad if you dont know what they do lol. I think the poor south american benchers have alot of humidity, I bench in room at 55F and AC blasting bone dry.
Pretty chip u have there SPLAVE, u deserved, u spend LOT of money for this MOA!!! you are a crazzy boy!!!!!!! And yes, here today have 85% humidity!! Sweet to bench !!! :=)
oh wow, never thought the ss would be to cold, I never tested my SB-E on anything but RunMC's single stage, oh well that chip is gone.
Last minutes to know the winners...
Keeping my fingers crossed. cause that's all i have. Well i could do a better super-pi but 1 point's not gonna make a difference.
ran 3d11 today, waste of time and money lol
Had to work all day today and golf after work. I didn't have time to bench a thing. Tomorrow i hope. My dewar is just pissin off gas. I need to use this ln2 up before it goes up in thin air.
I'm still trying, should be able to improve in 03, but so near & yet so far without a great 3d11 score. Card just doesn't want to play nice going over 1500 core.
less than 24hours to go! oh yes
I've been benching the past few days and really tried to catch Duke but it would seem that all my card has is 1560Mhz. It had run faster in the past but the scores were horrible. (finally figured out why) On a positive I did get a really good 03 score in this last round.
Awesome work Redmax and FTW. You're making me nervous.
great effort mate!
Thanks guys! you wouldn't believe how many times i did the math trying to figure out who needed to be bumped to help me move ^^
14hrs left! this is getting exciting.
Splave really dropping the bomb. If there even was any, there is now no doubt left who will win. Great effort!
I really tried to do a good job to qualify me for the MOA.
First, when I ran SuperPi on Z68, after open the Control Center, the motherboard died and took along my best 2600k.
So I needed a super result in 3Dmark11.
I got in a gray market (not legal import) a MSI X79 GD65, but the board was lots of problems.
Sometimes recognized quad channel, but in the midst of testing was with dual channel.
For no reason, stopped in the BIOS posts 60 or 67 and all too often, turn on and off immediately with BIOS FF post.
I got a friend from msolutions (reseller) another MSI X79 GD65 that he used for his own use.
We had a very good session with the board and I had got a very good result (for the first session and the first time I had touched on the motherboard).
I got 14,902 points, but was using 3DMark11 version 1.03 (which admittedly gives worse scores), not knowing that this competition could use version 1.01.
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3353814
There were 15 LN2 liters for me, and I changed the version of 3Dmark11.
Only had time to adjust the machine with almost same settings we had used and step by step increased the score a lit bot to 15,062.
Just out of nowhere for no reason, the other day the motherboard is not turned on.
The motherboard was dead (OMG).
Before turn off in its last session, I was careful to return the settings to non-aggressive, but the next day, the motherboard would turn on and turn off without no reason.
I searched far and wide across Brazil and did not find any GD65 or a Big Bang to continue trying.
I decided to call MSI in Brazil, and had a disappointing response 'it still not arrived in Brazil yet, so we have no X79 GD65 and no Big Bang".
I begged for some help, said he was willing to pay for a UPS or FedEx to get a board, but the answer was negative.
Also with great difficulty, had to borrow my friend overheat, a 3930K that did 55X (not lots of stabile, but ok), still afraid of killing the preciousness of him.
To give you an idea, I have never tested an Ivy Bridge, and I am eager to have one in hand, which shows how difficult things are here.
I did not binned nothing of these components...except the 2600K I really looked for, but just easy to buy and sell in Brazil.
Sometimes I'm sad to know that in Brazil, a country so large and so much potential, companies still not invest in people.
I would love to buy from Newegg, Microcenter, Frys, CompUSA, Ebuypower, and many others and have access to things that are weapons and tools needed to all overclockers.
I would like not have pay U$ 6 a liter of LN2 (in a countro where "minimum salarium is U$320) and don't need to wait for ... 3 ... 4 or 5 days to receive LN2 to do a session ... or not need to order one week advance to do a session.
The effort that we have to do to get things done is really quite large, and people who know me from other countries, know the "party" I do when I travel to countries like Taiwan and the United States and bring to my country, things that we can not buy here (from a simple wired wrap to solder to processors, thermometers, motherboards and things that make us so delighted with prices far below what we paid).
Anyone who knows me knows I'm a simple person and spent more $ than I can, in love with this activity that I like so much.
I am not complaining about our situations, the reason I am talking this is for those who thought that we, the Latin Americans would not have the technical knowledge to go to the finals, and even to win, just like to prove them wrong and that despite our worst conditions (pc parts , nitrogen, prices, etc.) , I strongly believe in the ability of many Latin American talent that each day has more to magnify our community.
My sincere congratulations to Splave, which is a great overclocker, a very nice guy and very well loved in the community, because he really deserves to be champion because he is a champion.
Only want people think about if we had had the same conditions, "perhaps" the result was different.
Not taking the merits of the champion, the requirements to be champion are:
Knowledge, Luck, components.
For us, it is leaving the desired item components.
I hope I can hold a place to be there.
Best regards from Brazil
Ohh man, you couldn't say better those things. Hope that you can hold on a place for the finals and represent Latin American people.
Good luck man
Top competition, guys! Seriously impressed by the level you guys are benching at. I sense USA or Latam might actually play a role in the global final this year. Maybe 2nd, after a European team of course
I wish we had more lightnings rofl.
Great runs Rbuass. Truly a great bencher as with everyone else that tried. I am still working on securing my 3rd spot.
Wow the trash talk begins already? You might have just jinxed your mates bro. loool
the truth, it was hard enough finding one card in the US.
Hehe
:D 
hopefully the old vaseline covered psu (?) wont take out 3 motherboards before we even start hehe
Time to go get a beer and watch the show. I just spent 4hrs and 20l of juice and could not improve. So i get to sit back and watch. God i hate the waiting not knowing game. loool
Great to see my country at the podium. Great job, Rbuass and gnidaol. You guys deserve the best!
Thanks
Will be really nice to travel together 3 friends to TW.
Congratz Splave and Gnidaol...
Good show guys
congrats
Excellent showdown guys!
We're going over the scores today. The official announcement will follow after that
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Oh yeah! Congrats to Splave, Rbuass and gnidaol !
http://www.overclocking-tv.com/content/news/13866/msi-moa-2012-americas-the-results/
Can't wait to see all of you guys in q3 somewhere
Congrats to the winners !!!
FYI, as said before, the official confirmation of the winners still will be done after double-check the results and double-checking with MSI.
Congratulations guys, best luck to all of you in the finals. Good work Ronaldo and keep pushing it
Congrats to all!!
congrats to all, great job guys.
The Staff is under investigation in collaboration with MSI, FM and Brazilians clockers.
Please let us take care of this, thanks, and go back to the topic.
If you have something to add please send me a private message.
We take care of the case.
Thanks
Congrats Splave... damn impressive work!
thanks mate! was a blast
We know the 1st place already, congratulations splave. Excellent work with that GPU
Good job on #1 Splave
Indeed Splave did great work all around, total domination. Congrats man!
Agree'd 100%
Well done !!
Splave for Massman !!
Indeed, nice job Splave!
Man you paid more than me :banana:
Only just went on sale here in NZ $999.99 ($772US)
And by the way Big Fellow, a Big Congradulations on your Win!
Following my post here I have moved away all hw sharing accusation related posts.
Please wait and understand that HWBot Staff is doing his job, we take care of this case.
Don't ruin this Overclocking Competition or the Overclocking Scene please till nothing has been proved and made official.
Back to topic thanks. If you have something to add please send me a private message.
Christian Ney is ready to replace Massman during his Taiwan absence
Time to ask for a raise man !!
^^
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Congratulations to Splave , Rbuass and Gnidaol .... great job guys , you deserve that ;-))
Just a heads-up:
- we already followed-up with Futuremark regarding the scores on friday.
- today we confirmed with MSI that additional proof is necessary to validate both scores and confirm the ranking.
- MSI agreed with the validation procedure we suggested (livestream - more info later)
I'm checking with Rbuass and Gnidaol for the practical stuff now.
Please keep this thread clean from opinion-making and other drama. Thanks.
Any ideas when the finals are approx?
September or October, I think.
Not sure if they are willing to release that info yet. You know ... all the press are eager to find out!
Okay thanks, going to be moving around then but my wife has a strong back
she can deal lol
She's not going to be your team mate?! How to explain that!
I am sure that HWBOT will be fair
Alright, it's 5AM here, so I'm going to keep it short.
On monday, MSI and HWBOT agreed that the 3DMark11 results of Rbuass and Gnidaol were suspicious enough to ask for additional verification. The way to do it wasn't simple as, after all, people were accusing them of sharing the results. We agreed to have a livestream head-to-head benchmark session, monitored by yours truely.
Here were the guidelines:
Here's a picture of the livestream:
The entire streaming started around 1:30AM GMT+2.
Around 2:38h local time, Gnidaol showed a 14.7k score. Here is the HWBOT validation link: http://hwbot.org/submission/2283713_gnidaol_3dmark11___performance_radeon_hd_7970_14717_marks. The score was done, confirmed, on livestream by Gnidaol.
For Rbuass, things went a little less smooth as he had many issues with the CPU stability in Physics (might be memory too). In any case, since the major concern was about using the same VGA for both results, we decided he could focus on putting out a GPU score to prove the second card was also capable of those clock frequencies. After lots and lots of troubles, he got a 14.5k GPU score at 1660MHz GPU clock (link), which is close enough to the score he submitted.
Conclusive lines
HWBOT and MSI went over the livestream and the results and decided that it forms more than sufficient proof of the full legitimacy of the 3DMark11 scores. Neither results will be pulled and the ranking remains as it is. This decision, backed up by both MSI and HWBOT, is final. Splave, Rbuass and Gnidaol go to the WW final.
On a more personal note, I'm not too happy with how things went down in this thread. I have no problems with raising questions about scores once in a while; in this case there was a valid basis for concern. What I do have a problem with is the typical opinion-maker who takes the concern and uses it to accuse people. Besides the screenshot, no one had any additional information that could objectively allow accusations. This type of noise-making is, in my opinion, below the community's standards. I hope you guys could think about that.
Congrats after all, just a curious way to verify a score,
first time i see this kind of stuff. Hopefully they demostrate that their both cards are capable of running those freqs.
I highly recommend for next MOA qualifier to make Youtube video of the score mandatory to get rid of the acussation.
The terror(me) never sleeps.
Sorry for being hard on you, NDAmann, always keeping cards tight - the signal value was 'not interested' as you also tend to use as slogan these days...
But more important than you getting less headache by me constantly annoying you...
Good to see more or less replicated scores.
One gotta say, those are som crazy binned VGA's you got there rbuass :-)
And as I stated in the PM earlier, its awesome what you do for overclocking in South America.
*and I highly recommend MSI doing less extraordinary exclusive initial LIVE EVENTS, while Grand Final can be a big show.... Media and people will love meeting up at at live event, more PR, more show, more action, more win - but obviously; more expensive.
Congrats everyone and good luck at the finals!
i hope to see some apologies, you know who you are.
Had my doubts about the scores, specially since one of my teammates was the victim, But nice to see the solution, initiative, time taken out by Massman. I am sure MSI just said yeah yeah, 'lets go with it',
And could not have said it earlier with doubts in my heart but now, a big congrats to Splave, Rbuass and Gnidaol. Simply mind blowing work done by you guyz.........
Congrats guys, & good luck to all 3 of you in Taiwan!
it could be mandatory for every submission this way there won't be more awful situations like we had here.
thanks guys! the harder it gets the more satisfying it becomes, hope to have a great time at finals this year. I really missed being there last year
Hope to see great battles on next qualifiers.
my respect to you gnidaol. full power 3d benching. i hope you get ivy 2d benching good.
Moved some other posts away.
Please child fight in PM
I'll say it again. MSI did not make the competition fair. Lightning cards should not have been allowed in the competition. They were not available to everyone. Huge fail.
Congratulations to all. My apologies for the drama.
Mate you are really a bad sport, you could have brought a lightning from ebay if you were serious here a link i just found and there have been many over the last month where do you think i got mine ???
http://www.ebay.com/itm/V278-003R-MSI-R7970-Lightning-Graphics-card-Radeon-/280866589592?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item4164f40b98
Do not blame MSI for your failures, MSI have done a great thing to even run these competitions, people like you who only complain are going to be the end of these competitions.
I didn't see your name in the competition. Were you in it?
I will be entering in the Pan - Asia round. I just started to get prepared for this 1 month ago, preparation is everything in competitions.
sigh
Like i said Congratulations to everyone that played. My apologies to the community for the drama.
If i had not recieved pm's and emails from 7 people in the HWBot community i would not have pushed this. But i did. And like a man i owned up to it and like a man i am apologizing for it. There is no need to push me any further. You know who you are. Leave it alone.
holy shiot nows the time to post a 7970 lightning on ebay cotdamn! $900 thats more than I paid lol
Im sure it was not MSI's intention to have no stock, Im sure they would have rather been able to SELL their products to the contenders. But great work to all the guys that ran reference cards, you had to work 10x harder then us with lightnings....my wife could have clocked this card to 1680/1920
Glad this is over, because now its IVY TIME!@!#$@#$
Im sure it was not MSI's intention to have no stock, Im sure they would have rather been able to SELL their products to the contenders.
Yes. Good point.
Official PR follows on Friday. That one includes the lucky draw too
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As I said before , HWBOT will be fair ... congratulations Splave , Rbuass and Gnidaol , good luck at Taipei and , of course , congratulations also to all contenders ;-))
Congratulations Splave , Rbuass and Gnidaol!
Nicely Done!
@Duke
Lightning was not needed to win MOA, and you can get a very good Lightning or you can get only a regular card.
My best card was a reference, and I got better score than mine to MOA.
http://hwbot.org/submission/2258829_
This score using 1.03 3DMark11 version is hardest and my MOA score using the cheatweaker to 1.01 version (that gives lots of points more).
The diference to the Lightning and to the reference is that reference, to go to the max, needs hardmods
That was my best card...I killed because VRM is not strong and mosfet was burned.
There are more work to try with reference, but you can see reference cards running 2000 Mhz at RAMs easier than Lightnings and their clocks GPU clocks similar.
Now...a question.
Some people complain about to have no acess to hardware...now...can feel what we from Brazil need to feel always.
If Lightnings was dificult to find there...you can understand for us...all...ever...can be hard to find.
FYI, '""there are NO ONE" X79GD 65 or Big Bang official import in all Brazil"...I think it shows how hard is to get hardware here.
My X79 GD65 was killed benching, and I looked for another one to improve my result...because I did not know what good result competirors coud have...
I did not find any one, in any place...and to import from ebay, can delay 1...2...3 months in the customs...
So I asked MSI Brazil...and the X79 still not arrived to Brazil.
I hope you understand.
I really loved MOA...looking forward to know my friends will be there in Taiwan.
Very Impressive Soldering on that card. It takes good skill to attach to those little Pads! I still screw up 1/3 of the cards I try to modify.
Congrats to Splave, Rbuass and gnidaol....
P.S.: Jealousy can kill!!!
rbuass, a big bang and gd65 was not needed to win this competition. I could have won first place on a gd45...its the lightning that won them. Why did you buy 3 of them if they were not necessary
Its never fun when hardware is not available I will agree to that. 
congrats on 2nd and 3rd place guys!
The problem is not to be Lightning Splave.
The problem is to have a MSI card (reference) with a BIOS that works hardest way.
Since I went to USA, I did prefer to buy Lightnings than reference... but MSI reference "was not available" too.
Since I was never tried one Lightning, sure, if I was in USA, prefer to buy the Lightning cards than reference (with a detail that, before to get the Lightning, I was thinking it must be so better than a reference, but noticed that it clocks is pretty similar...but not good VRM).
To win is needed a complete rig...so even you binned lots of CPUs that we can not bin in Brazil (lol).
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-237951164-placa-me-msi-x79a-gd45-chipset-x79-lga-2011-box-_JM
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-237949872-placa-me-msi-x79a-gd65-chipset-x79-lga-2011-box-_JM
There are the 2 only places in Brazil selling the X79 MSI "now"
Is no official import...
GD65 (4D)- in the picture is about USD 700 and GD45 is about USD 600
I loved to go there...because I can go to places you have no in Brazil.
To give you a simple exemple.
To buy clothes for my daughter for 1 year and 9 months, there is a very good brand called Carter.
A set from 60 to 70 dollars in Brazil, I can buy U$6 or U$ 7 for an outlet.
I do not say that I bring a truckload of stuff from there and the trip ends up paying my work (That's a pity I can not always do this).
P.S. about GD45 I never tried, but even is good, I am sure is not SO good as GD65 or Big Bang
@Splave - one more time, congratz to your well deserved result...so...will happy to meet you in Tw.
Let's have fun there again.
thanks, Im sure it will be a blast as always...I have had not one drop of alcohol since last time I was there lol
Still feeling a little drunk..
Congrats to Splave, rbuass and Gnadiol, good luck at the finals!
Now that everything is official: Congrats to top3!
I remember you...just a lit bit dranked...lol
I destroyed the bushes at the hotel lmao
Splave can't hold his alcohol ROFL
Idk man, think I had about 6 Jägerbombs, 6 Beers, then we started shots and I lost count. I do remember using dentlords concealed carry permit to get in to the one clubs lol while he was right behind me.
Lmfao
congratz guys, rock the finals !!
You looked pretty rough the next morning. Congrats on the win
I can't remember that evening clearly.
Must've been good.
very well put
Oh well ... let's check the video footage again!
Some trash talk for the masses. If i had a lightning i would have pwned 3D11 in this comp with a 5.1ghz cpu. Unfortunately i didn't have the mods for the reference that Rbuass. The one mod i had killed a rare 600.00 MSI OC version card. Those were not my only losses. Try a 1K 6ghz 2500K also. Yea i just forked out over 3k for a lousy $180.00 motherboard. Thank you very much.
It was fun though. And i just might buy a ticket to Taiwan for the fun of it. Really. 
I need some time away from the business.
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