1222 pts Madshrimps Belgium OC Team

TIME !

Are you ready yet ?

I am ready, but HWBOT isn´t >_<

maybe they have to include the super pi fullout @ win98 stage?

They moved the start to 15th june

Nos vemos el 15 de Junio!!!!

Too many on-going competitions.

We need a break !!!

there´s no interesting competition for me since country cup 2015. i don´t have skylake and i am no rookie, so i can´t compete in most of the other competitions.

tried i3 2100 in challenger III, but unlocked i3 skylake seems to be faster...

to much break, i want a competition!!! :battle:

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too much break, i want a competition!!! :battle:

Make your self a challenge ?

a selfmade team cup?

Due to the changing of start day of the championship, if possible to announce the stages and need hardware that to prepare for it in advance?

Due to the changing of start day of the championship, if possible to announce the stages and need hardware that to prepare for it in advance?

How about a shotgun start. No advanced notice.

How about a shotgun start. No advanced notice.

only in USA weapon is possible to buy in any bakery, in my country it is immposble, so shotgun is do not fits this case but some hardware is possible to find, when its defined. I hoped on fast start, but 2 week of waitingI haunts me. I need something overclock

How about a shotgun start. No advanced notice.

no good idea to me. i don´t have to much time so i have to plan early enough.

Still up for tomorrow ?

tomorrow @12 o clock they´ll move the start to 1st july

Due to the changing of start day of the championship, if possible to announce the stages and need hardware that to prepare for it in advance?

That's a question we're always asking before competitions and if there's answer, it's always the same - you'll have time.

Team cup runs several months, I don´t think there is need for big prep - and it is same for all

Just few hours...

Nervous waiting?

Moved back another two weeks?

You lost weight, Roman, you need to eat more

This is called "0% fat" .

are u kidding me? >_<

ok i´m out. i´ve had time and LN2 in june. in july/august i have neither time nor LN2.

disappointing

Moved back another two weeks?

Schedule shows starting July 1st.

Yeah, I've got vacation in July, not going to be home

I suggest you move it to September 1st or something

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Someone is waiting for the new Polaris cards to be released

Why so many complains about the date ?

July 1st - September 30th , is enough time to prepare and compete.

Why so many complains about the date ?

 

July 1st - September 30th , is enough time to prepare and compete.

I'm joking, there is a lot to do even without the Cup

just we do not get why it has been postponed twice

Change something twice always Bad idea. All announce must be written in schedule. Schedule must be like rule, which cannot be violated by anybody. All Team CUPs must be year by year, be in the same time, it it enough 100 days to prepare for it with any vacations and etc. It is not serious for HWBOT to moove lunch day for next 2 weeks and another next 2 weeks.

what is going on here? Why start postponed for the second time? people plan vacations for the period of the competition. not good...

Like last year.

I think that with Computex/G.Skill World Cup just before, and all the World Tour stops to manage, they put a bit aside the Team Cup.

No problems with that, but if you know you are late to launch it, please tell us earlier ^^

I guess it is time to clarify some things and explain a couple of issues - the concept was ready way before 1st of june, the even higher than expected workload at computex preparation, Computex itself and worldtour did delay the technical implementation.

For people who ask why we did not set 1st of july from the beginning as start, we wanted to avoid that team cup ends same date as challenger round 3 (which it now does), because me and other mods will have enormous trouble handling moderation then and also it is not ideal for benchers in all comps when challengers and team cup end same day.

We could have planned differently of course, and make Teamcup 60 instead of 90 days at schedule etc, but this is always a highlight for many benchers each year, so for next year we are open for proposals if shorter team cup with less stages for example is OK

Final sentence, sorry if people had a real inconvenience from this, but I hope you all see this was more or less a try to make things ideal for everyone and also keep Teamcup alive at full length, but you cannot always beat the odds

First word coming to mind when doing a trivia:

The word Overclocker is directly linked to : complaining

Thx for the heads up Michael...

Ok so delayed from June 1st 'cause Computex, but now mean lot of work for mods as end date is same as Challenger Round 3.

Hopefully, people will be nice and submit proper scores with nice screenshots and in agreement with the rules

Now understand =)

That was to be expected I dont mind the start being at the start of the month though.

I also dont think anyone should know what the stages are going to be till they are put up on the day that makes it even for everyone.

But saying that I also dont like the get a certain target score like in a GPU round last year Cloudgate Target 250 thats just first in best dressed if a team doesnt see that the minute it opens well they have no hope.

Also shorter and less stages in Teams Cup NO it is great the way it is dont change it.

.... I also dont like the get a certain target score like in a GPU round last year Cloudgate Target 250 thats just first in best dressed if a team doesnt see that the minute it opens well they have no hope.

You reminded me that EPIC FAIL.

Fail , not as an idea , but moreover as the way it was implemented and by the stucture of the announcement by Massman.

Anyway

Lets move forward.

Get in line, stages have leaked

@websmile & Co, wanna clear some points before comp started ^^

- First : Stages 3 to 6 were copied/pasted between SC1 and SC2, i suppose it's a typo ?

- Second : "Average of 3 best CPUs" means the stage needs 3 scores to be completed, but does it also means that all the others stages need only 1 score ? (Except Dogpile ofc).

- Third : What exactly means "Average of 3 best CPUs/GPUs" ? 3 best scores on a CPU/GPU stage, or 3 scores with "higher ranked" CPU/GPU ? (for example, a i3 6320 is "ranked higher" than a i3 6100, even if the second on can beat the first one)

- Fourth : SC3, stage 2, "Average of 3 best CPUs" for a GPU stage. Typo or ranked indeed by CPU (and so in relation with my third point) ?

- Fifth : Subzero is allowed everywhere i supposed ?

Don't wanna be annoying, i just like when it's clear and explicit ^^

Edit : Yeah sorry newlife, always confuse websmile and you, too much letters in common x)

Lol nice accidental tag

And for SC4 can Netburst 775 CPUs be used for "Stage 2: Aquamark - NetBurst + GeForce 6000"? Thanks.

Also (kinda the same question), is the memory type stated for each SC the only one that can be used?

Whatever you found is still preliminary, and might be changed, so I don´t think questions now make sense^^

Sadly, this is going more and more into the direction "kill the small teams".

In the past, I could manage many stages on my own, now it seems impossible.

I was thinking the same thing.

So use some teamwork and combine teams. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So use some teamwork and combine teams. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm sure there are teams that would think that is a good idea. My team won't be one of them.

SC4: Vintage (DDR1) : Stage 5: Cinebench2003 - Socket 745

754 is meant, right?

The new Wikileaks, interesting...

Well I must say we can't even compete anymore, if more than 3 scores are required. Unless we dig up some new blood asap... Will moderate the scores and help Websmile

Sadly, this is going more and more into the direction "kill the small teams".

In the past, I could manage many stages on my own, now it seems impossible.

Yes, it is true, for our small one and the only team in Belarus to.

Hope on this,

Whatever you found is still preliminary, and might be changed, so I don´t think questions now make sense^^

You kill us. it's bad

Maybe we should make a one man cup in the future - this is extremely poor, if you are not able to get three!!! different guys to submit at certain stages I wonder why you are in a team anyway... I am always open for legit criticism, but you should simply remember what this is called - team cup and not one man ego trip cup

Sadly, this is going more and more into the direction "kill the small teams".

In the past, I could manage many stages on my own, now it seems impossible.

I agree with you. The current Team Cup is not interesting for small teams, too much financial investment and no special appeal.

websmile

Of course TEAM cup mean TEAM first of all, but there are teams with 100+ overclockers and small teams with about 10, think need to think about all of us. All statistics in all previous TC.

This cup seems to me for only richest teams at hwbot,imho

sad,there is nothing was older than s462/s478

Maybe we should make a one man cup in the future - this is extremely poor, if you are not able to get three!!! different guys to submit at certain stages I wonder why you are in a team anyway... I am always open for legit criticism, but you should simply remember what this is called - team cup and not one man ego trip cup

3 people or 5 or even 10 (We managed 8 or 9 for country if Im right and that got us pretty far) is good for the team spirit and nothing people should complain about.

What really gets us worried is the dogpile part tho, if that part is only one sub per member its going to be a pure largest team competition as there are hundreds of GPUs geting significant amounts of 3dmark01 points.

The ‘Dogpile’ round involves teams making as many submissions as possible with scores added together to make a total score. Only score per CPU/GPU allowed, so it’s all about digging out and scoring on as many different CPUs/GPUs as possible.

Don´t worry, if I remember correctly it is not user limited (means submit as many cpus as you have personally) and we put weight on points in a direction that this is for sure not over present.

I bit my tongue a bit on comments above, maybe people should see that 75% of hardware needed is 4 years or older, 50% 6-8 years and so on. Even on new gen stage you can use 3-4 year old stuff at some stages. We can not omit new gen benchers completely, for us everyone is welcome at team cup

Don´t worry, if I remember correctly it is not user limited (means submit as many cpus as you have personally) and we put weight on points in a direction that this is for sure not over present.

I bit my tongue a bit on comments above, maybe people should see that 75% of hardware needed is 4 years or older, 50% 6-8 years and so on. Even on new gen stage you can use 3-4 year old stuff at some stages. We can not omit new gen benchers completely, for us everyone is welcome at team cup

In that case I have to say that what we see so far looks really good and well balanced, I like the idea to split it up based on memory type

Even If Im not a personal fan of the 3 subs with laptops in modern hardware stages

Having multiple scores on one stage is not annoying on modern hardware, but it is on vintage.

Like finding 3 people who have a K10 + 2 HD3000 ... would be awesome to ever find one guy.

And K10 is not so old.

Most of people sell their old stuff to get new one.

•Stage 4: 3DMark05 - Socket 939 + Radeon R500 (Average of 3 best GPUs)

FX60+X1950XTX it's so old-))) drivel...

Unfortunately, in our country it is sometimes difficult to find even 1 set for the submission, well 3, and the more different members of the team - it is simply unrealistic.

We will be a lot to think about our participation.

Logistics, organizing hardware and coordinating within the team is always one of the biggest challenges at team cup, we know this. We opted for max of three submissions at multi sub stages to give chances also to smaller teams, often this ends in sessions where they bench together to get the results needed. I really hope for your understanding that we made these multi-sub stages because we want to emphasize the team spirit, and from my experience in the past as member of awardfabrik, which has very few active benchers last years but always did very good, I think smaller groups often do better because they are better organized

there are lots of competitions for binned skylake + GTX1080. only a few guys with best samples can realy compete in stages for this hardware. a amd k6 or pentium II or whatever kosts maybe 5,- € at ebay. everybody can compete. so i like the idea of cups where these expensive hardware does not matter and everybody has same chance to compete.

I think this format is quitte well balanced with the HW needed, not so much stage where really high expensive HW is needed, no 980ti/1080 SLI needed

Quite a good challenge.

Will it be some restriction about cooling? or frequency?

No restrictions planned so far, neither on cooling nor do we plan frequency caps

it is easier with frequency cap, but it´s a competition, it shouldn´t be easy

I like more the "NotPay2Win" Competitions. :nana:

Yes, you should e-mail your hardware list to the moderators so that they can create competions based on that...

I like more the "NotPay2Win" Competitions.

like the win98-competition?

Windows98 Stage was open for all, there is no need TOP HW, so it was be possible for all ))

Stage 1: XTU - Skylake/Haswell (Average of 3 best CPUs)

How does this work?

Is it possible to bench 3x6700k or do we need 6700k, 6600k, 4770k?

I have no idea what you found, but this is no team cup stage^^ - in general, when we need three results for a stage, always three different cpu or vga models are required to make an overall score, for your example this would mean indeed 6700k, 6600k, 4670k or whatever other cpu

I found the stages at the eSports page....

Seems that the dummy site still is full of misinformation

I think wrong info is worse than no information. No matter what I'm looking forward to Team Cup though!

Windows98 Stage was open for all, there is no need TOP HW, so it was be possible for all ))

because of that it was a great idea =)

and lots of tweaking possible and a lot to try. for exsample making the 2600k sandy ready for win98 was a great idea and good work =)

this stage should be a bonus-stage at tc2016

and this time i will participate

Seems that the dummy site still is full of misinformation

When will we get the final overview?

I guess the site will eventually go online a day before start earliest

Oh ok...so no chance to plan anything before...

Do you think a couple of days before start make a difference on a competition that runs for 13 weeks?^^

P.S. Please take in that we need to implement some stuff and fix some hardwarelistings at database to make all work perfectly at start, so it is only partially trolling

In the SC:3 Legacy (DDR2) • Stage 4: 3DMark06 2x GPU - K10 + HD 3000 (Average of 3 best GPUs) is it possible to use One HD3000X2 card like HD3780X2 & etc ?

Yes, two vgas cores are OK - Crossfire includes 1x 3870X2 or 3850X2 card

I'm not sure if I understand this "Average of 3 best" thing. Does it mean three different people must submit score of three different CPU/GPU in the selected stage + benchmark (one person each)? Or I can do all 3 by myself?

The same question applies for "SC5: Dogpile". I can dig up 100+ CPU/GPU easily... but other team members are not much into Team cup benchmarking...

On the "average of 3 best" stages we want three different members with different hardware, this is because we want to emphasize this is a team competition. On the dogpile, feel free to submit as much different cpu/vgas as you personally have, it is unlimited amount of subs per bencher as long as it is different hardware

Thank you... dogpile it is then

Thank you... dogpile it is then

Wonder how far north of 10mil points 3dmark01 dogpile will land for the winners

I wont get that high and the Dogpile winner probably wont win it there are 29 other stages as well

Will let you know after discussion to be sure, but don´t set high hopes, it would be against the intention of hardware generations for stages because it is too new for "modern gen". I guess there is no doubt skylake is current gen, no matter if ddr3 or ddr4 are used

Will let you know after discussion to be sure, but don´t set high hopes, it would be against the intention of hardware generations for stages because it is too new for "modern gen". I guess there is no doubt skylake is current gen, no matter if ddr3 or ddr4 are used

for the same reason I think it would be possible use a 775 mobo with DDR3 in the SC3: Legacy, what do you think about this ?

Thank you

This is for sure not allowed, because the stages are sorted by Memory type and Legacy stage is ddr2

Thats not very good then sorted by memory.

A large percentage of Performance 775 boards were DDR3

In general, DDR3 is already over-represented because at modern gen we also opened option for haswell for example. I think it is a good decision to limit 775 to ddr2, the socket was introduced in 2004 and there are tons of boards you can use. Everyone has same chance anyway

P.S. I agree, Bai, would be better to make specification to the rules at modern gen about Skylake to rule out problems

Its ok I have got DDR2 boards I just rather DDR3.

When is it going up on the Competition page

I hope in a couple of hours and this time no delays ^^

This is for sure not allowed, because the stages are sorted by Memory type and Legacy stage is ddr2

I love it, it's harder to find a good motherboard with DDR2 for Pifast rather than using the usual Rampage Extreme DDR3

good choice

Couple of questions now we have confirmation of stages:

>>3DMark03 1xGPU requries a Celeron D as the CPU only? No Pentium D? (Also shouldn't it be 360 in the limitations as opposed to 160).

>>AM2 CPU Frequency requires a CPU from this list Overclocking, overclocking, and much more! Like overclocking. ? Also, it this % OC or outright highest?

Thanks all, looks like it's going to be a good comp!

These Stages are much nicer than the first batch

I have too several precisions in mind :

SC1 : Stage 2, how many GPUs ? I assume Full Out mean 4-way allowed ?

SC3 : Stage 5, how many subs are required 1 or 3 ?

For SC2:S4, SC3:S2, SC4:S1/S2, it seems there's an error in display of CPU families restriction.

Netburst 775

MHz, no percentage oc at any stage, it is always raw MHz

SC1 stage 2 is full out, only stage where gpu core count is unlimited - I had this question before at another thread and seems to have been not too clear what I answered, I also clarified it there, full out is unlimited.

SC3 stage5 seems to be clear, it is one, is there anything I overlook? It is only average of three when we write it on rules explicitly

Thanks web, but it says "Only use processors from the 350,346,160,347 family"? So does it need correcting or?

We have 3-5 stages that need a data base fix we already requested more than two weeks ago... - well, it will come sooner or later, sorry for the annoyance

@websmile; Could you link 243,351 family from SC2 Stage 4?

For the family bug, look at the official announcement, the correcy labels are in ^^

Thx websmile for your answers ^^

Under SC2 - Stage 3; Should it really be Mobile Haswell/Skylake? Seems like Sandy/Ivy/Haswell is more relevant?

Family link might come later, for sc2 stage3 refer to the announcement, already answered this and stage description is correct on this if you check it

P.S. check hwbot database cpu for bulldozer and piledriver, these are 15h gen1 and gen2 - please keep in mind that server cpus are not allowed for team cup

So Xeon and Opteron not allowed even for dogpile stage?

No, sorry, as well as es - might be annoying but this is in tradition of all our competitions, we do not want 16 core server cpus for example own hwbotprime or cinebench stages, and because of this it is generally not allowed to use server cpus

Family link might come later, for sc2 stage3 refer to the announcement, already answered this and stage description is correct on this if you check it

 

P.S. check hwbot database cpu for bulldozer and piledriver, these are 15h gen1 and gen2 - please keep in mind that server cpus are not allowed for team cup

I'm sorry, but where do I find the official announcement? How can the description be correct, are there even any laptops with mobile Skylake and DDR3? And Stage 1 have Sandy and Ivy, it just seems logical that Stage 3 should have it also? I'm just feeling very confused, maybe this announcement will clearify thing, if I only could find it

Think it is bettre to write in rules what is alowed and write links on CPU/GPU gens. Because I'm read but not totally undertand all at 100%.

I'm sorry, but where do I find the official announcement? How can the description be correct, are there even any laptops with mobile Skylake and DDR3? And Stage 1 have Sandy and Ivy, it just seems logical that Stage 3 should have it also? I'm just feeling very confused, maybe this announcement will clearify thing, if I only could find it

http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=158808

post #3 should answer your question, and if you go to the stage directly via eoc sports, you find the correct cpus needed for the stage

qdigg I already anwered this above, we need a database fix we now wait for above 2 weeks to correct this...

http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=158808

post #3 should answer your question, and if you go to the stage directly via eoc sports, you find the correct cpus needed for the stage

 

qdigg I already anwered this above, we need a database fix we now wait for above 2 weeks to correct this...

Yes, I can read, but it still doesn't make any sense? Mobile Skylake with DDR3? Does this even exists? But I guess Haswell it is then To bad Sandy and Ivy aren't allowed, that would make much more sense in the category.

And another thing, under SC1 - Stage 4: Geekbench3 Multi Core - Steamroller. How are we suppose to run this? Can anyone show me a motherboard for Steamroller with DDR4 please.

I am not sure now you can read - on post #3 I explicitly stated that stage 3 of sc2 is mobile sandy/ ivy bridge... http://forum.hwbot.org/showpost.php?p=451694&postcount=3

On the steamroller, amd has no ddr4 system so we took newest gen they had atm and used this, we also included haswell btw for this which is also ddr3. We thought it is better than skip amd completely from new gen and also included haswell bc we are not sure everyone has upgraded to skylake all over the world already^^

OC eSports

HWBOT Team Cup 2016 Starts July 1st

as we learned on july 1st @12 o clock they´ll move the start for another two weeks to july 15th

I am not sure now you can read - on post #3 I explicitly stated that stage 3 of sc2 is mobile sandy/ ivy bridge... http://forum.hwbot.org/showpost.php?p=451694&postcount=3

On the steamroller, amd has no ddr4 system so we took newest gen they had atm and used this, we also included haswell btw for this which is also ddr3. We thought it is better than skip amd completely from new gen and also included haswell bc we are not sure everyone has upgraded to skylake all over the world already^^

OC eSports

Please edit rules everywhere. Stuff can't be placed in some reply in some thread somewhere. I hope you can understand that putting Steamroller under DDR4-category is confusing? Is there another exception in any other SC, or is this the only one? Please make things like this clear, it will make your own work much easier.

SC are no more linked to DDR generation.

The cup did not even start now and you panic?

I am quite amused tbh, all changes are already tasked internally for hours now, and stage rules are clear for example on the mobile sandy/ivy. @Taloken SC2-4 are completely linked to ddr generation. If you are willing to develop an amd board with ddr4 in one day, we can delete Haswell from SC1 and use only ddr4 at current gen

and what´s about broadwell (DDR4), broadwell-e (ddr4) and haswell-e (DDR4)?

and where is the FX-stage for current amd "highend"?

Sc1 stage 6 is Haswell-E, and you better believe that for 3d11 full out and fire strike e we might see broadwell-e as well. On amd, we included stuff like 9590 etc at sc2, we can only use what amd offers us, might have been sarcastic rsponse by me but it is a fact that amd has not released ddr4 systems so far and that their highend cpu are older than haswell iirc....

wow thats crazy! Iam not sure if the time is enuf for me only to asemble setups for all stages with my currently available hardware

What about "Prize section" ?

Work in progress on this, but this is not my business, I know Pieter is working on this

@GunGod - seems you will get lots of training on this

The cup did not even start now and you panic?

I am quite amused tbh, all changes are already tasked internally for hours now, and stage rules are clear for example on the mobile sandy/ivy. @Taloken SC2-4 are completely linked to ddr generation. If you are willing to develop an amd board with ddr4 in one day, we can delete Haswell from SC1 and use only ddr4 at current gen

No panic from my side But since I've been in a few competitions and in practically every one there are discussions about HW limitations and rules even after start, so my thought is to make everyting clear from the start so nothing is up for interpretation.

Quick question:

SC3, Stage 6:

Only use processors using socket Socket AM2.

I understand it that way that even Phenom/Phenom II are allowed. Am I right or wrong?

I agree on this, as said there are already iinternal tasks to fix typos and errors. I really hope we get this database issue fixed fast as well, but this is sadly beyond my power

edit AM2 in our definition of database - please note that after internal discussion we stay with the decision to not allow server cpus

Overclocking, overclocking, and much more! Like overclocking.

the stages are sorted by Memory type

you say about the sorted by of memory type but where is sdr and fpm/edo?

you say about the sorted by of memory type but where is sdr and fpm/edo?

Not present, I wish we could have done this as well. The main reason we did not include this was to keep the amount of stages and benchmarks in a limit that also gives smaller teams still a chance to compete, if we would have added 14 more stages or only seven more for example, it would have become even harder for smaller teams to compete

edit AM2 in our definition of database - please note that after internal discussion we stay with the decision to not allow server cpus

Overclocking, overclocking, and much more! Like overclocking.

Thank you, that answer is good news for me. I think I have a good setup then for this stage.

Just one last clarification, is it mandatory to run the correct memory type under each SC? Or is it allowed to run a mobile Haswell with DDR3 under SC1 stage 3, since, I as far as I know, there are no mobile Haswell with DDR4 support?

On this, it is same as with AMD, you bench what is available, current gen stage is the only one where we can not keep up the pattern to stay with memory type because of technical issues, AMD has no ddr4 system until now and the mobile haswell platform as well as Haswell desktop is ddr3 - sure you can use ddr3 for haswell mobile as well

you say about the sorted by of memory type but where is sdr and fpm/edo?

It will be in the new Old School 2017 I think

The ‘Dogpile’ round involves teams making as many submissions as possible with scores added together to make a total score. Only score per CPU/GPU allowed, so it’s all about digging out and scoring on as many different CPUs/GPUs as possible.

Sorry for dumb question, but I don't get it. Is it limited like 1 submission per overclocker, or one man can submit 50 results to this stage, for example?

You can submit as many different cpus as you want. The only restriction is that each model only counts 1x for the team, means if you submit 2160 and teammate does the same, only the better result will add to the final result.

You can submit as many different cpus as you want. The only restriction is that each model only counts 1x for the team, means if you submit 2160 and teammate does the same, only the better result will add to the final result.

Ok, thanks for answer

On this, it is same as with AMD, you bench what is available, current gen stage is the only one where we can not keep up the pattern to stay with memory type because of technical issues, AMD has no ddr4 system until now and the mobile haswell platform as well as Haswell desktop is ddr3 - sure you can use ddr3 for haswell mobile as well

Ok, great to get that clearified. But then I have a follow up question, is it allowed to use another memory type if possible, even though the "correct" one is available? Example: SC3 Stage 1, can we use DDR3 motherboards for this one? This is just one example, there are more stages where this is possible.

No sc2-4 are bound without exception to memory type stated at validation stage

Looks like dogpile stage is not working right. Me and my teammate have submitted 2 different cpus (E3300 & T4500), right now only E3300 is shown (on stage page)...

I created an internal task to fix this, might need a few days

SC3 Stage 2 & SC4 Stage 1, the only CPUs that fit most of the numbers given are in the Netburst (Pentium 4,90nm) category, don’t have any idea what the 160 is. Also this would only allow 1 cpu the Celeron D 350 for socket 478 and after a quick search of Ebay not real abundant. If this has been asked sorry but don’t recall see it.

This is a database issue I explained before, both categories offer plenty of cpus. We asked the coding guys to fix this over two weeks ago... no idea when this will be fixed, but we did not want to delay cup again

example

Related Netburst CPUs for socket 775

Thank you for the reply so its any netburst cpu available for the socket as related in the leaked information.

can someone explain the "CPU must be different" and GPUs must be different" part for dogpile? not sure if its so simple that i dont get it or its just going over my head lol.

sorry if its been answered already.

EDIT: disregard. i got the answer to this question already.

You can submit as many different cpus as you want. The only restriction is that each model only counts 1x for the team, means if you submit 2160 and teammate does the same, only the better result will add to the final result.

How about SLI/Crossfire, would it count as a different model then a single card of same modell for this stage?

Unless the rules allow or ask for sli or cf or are marked full out, all vgas stages are single vga core. I tend to allow native dual gpu core card for the dogpile (like 7950gx2 or 3870x2), but for sure 2x8800GTS for example is not allowed. I will discuss the dual gpu native topic and let you know, but sli or cf with two or more cards is definitely out

Edit: I checked again, we have already agreed on this topic to be for single gpu core only - so no sli,cf and no dual gpu cards for dogpile

Dogpile is not accumilating scores atm

Already tasked to Pieter - should get fixed soon

There are two options for SC3 Stage 2:

 

1. This stage requires 3 submissions with different GPUs from different users! OC eSports

 

2. This stage requires 3 submissions with different CPUs from different users! OC eSports

 

GPUs, not CPUs, right?

Being that it's a 3D bench, different GPU's would be correct.

Yes, this is a typo, on 3ds of course the vgas make the result and therefore three different gpu models have to be used

P.S. Of course I scheduled a fix to end confusion^^

In vintage category, Memory Clock DDR1. It says: "This stage requires 3 submissions from different users!" All other mem-freq. stages require only 1 submission. Is this correct? It seems strange because you can not have three different types of hardware...

And also the usual questions for all mem frequency stages:

Any difference in frequency allowed between screenshot and validation?

There are no specific rules so I assume XOC is ok in validation and we don't have to show SPD in screenshot? What do we have to show in screen, only mem tab?

CPU and mem tab are minimum requirements for a screenshot, xoc should be ok, no difference from validation to screenshot. Please provide a picture of the rig with mem stick visible

CPU and mem tab are minimum requirements for a screenshot, xoc should be ok, no difference from validation to screenshot. Please provide a picture of the rig with mem stick visible

Both CPU and mem tab? All that info is in the verification link already..

If serious you really should add that to the stage info then as I checked both there and the rules for mem frequency and it said nothing about what should be in the screenshoot so only took one with mem tab open.

HWBOT Memory Clock Benchmark Validation Regulations

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EDIT: And no requirments of CPU tab in last months comp either, why add it now? Whats the gain from having it?

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/A grumpy guy that already changed RAM and wiped out all TCCD settings to move on to next stage

Sad to hear this , but let´s not ignore common sense - we all know the minimum requirements for 2d screenshots, this is 2x cpuz with cpu and mem tab. Please don´t make life so hard for yourself, a bit of logic and common sense are often better than making 10 pages of rules.

Sad to hear this , but let´s not ignore common sense - we all know the minimum requirements for 2d screenshots, this is 2x cpuz with cpu and mem tab. Please don´t make life so hard for yourself, a bit of logic and common sense are often better than making 10 pages of rules.

Im not sure if I would count mem frequency as a 2d bench but ok, so I take it we need to show mem tab aswell for the CPU frequency in am2 stage?

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Definitely. I created a task to add this to the screenshot rules, obviously we expected too much

P.S. Good this came up quite early, so we can add to the rules before the hot phase starts.

Sorry Michael but I think that's crap.

Never ever have we needed more than the validation link for mem clk anywhere at any time, INCLUDING the Div. 7 challenge that just finished. All the pertinent info is included in the link anyway.

@websmile I don't agree with you there. Hwbot is working hard to attract new overclockers. But in many competitions there are some stages where you have to be a veteran to even be able to guess the rules...

We handled it with screenshot last year and this year at several competitions and had very good experience with this. The reason we want the screenshot should be quite clear, we checked cpuz and found it to be possible to recycle old subs...

P.S. The general rules are quite clear for screenshots and what is needed, if we demand a screenshot cpuz cpu and memory tab are always needed

Yes, but what is the point of cpu tab? Many habe already submitted without it

Definitely. I created a task to add this to the screenshot rules, obviously we expected too much

 

P.S. Good this came up quite early, so we can add to the rules before the hot phase starts.

The bolded part just comes out bad as I cant find one single time where we have needed to show both CPU and Mem tab for mem frequency in a competition before and its not required for normal subs at all as the cpuz valid link is enough there.

Last comp I could find with CPU frequency as a stage was team cup 2015 and guess what, there was no need for the cpu and mem tab, there was no need for a screenshot at all.

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If not a single one of us that have posted scores yet, that are all experienced with competitions here at HWbot managed to get it right, it sure wasnt Obviouse to anyone.

Many also submitted 3ds lately without gpuz - shall we change the rules because of this?^^

P.S. Screenshots are, next to the links, another method of providing the required verification. Please make sure your screenshot is as clear as possible! In general, this is required:

CPU-Z CPU information tab

CPU-Z Memory information tab

GPU-Z videocard information tab (3DMark/PCMark/Aquamark)

For SuperPi/Pifast: entire calculation has to be visible

For 3DMark/PCMark: benchmark settings have to be visible as well as the subtest scores

And on the topic, if not tons of people would have cheatet last years at challengers and other comps by recycling old scores, we would gladly skip the screenshot - so it is our fault that there are people who cheat?

we checked cpuz and found it to be possible to recycle old subs...

 

When???? And don't say during Div. 7 challenge, because if that's true and wasn't mentioned then, I'll call rigged.

Many also submitted 3ds lately without gpuz - shall we change the rules because of this?^^

Silly argument as there is clear rules what should be in a screenshoot for each 3d benchmark compared to N/A for the frequency screenshoot rules.

When???? And don't say during Div. 7 challenge, because if that's true and wasn't mentioned then, I'll call rigged.

We checked ourselves, this is why we went for cpu 1,76 and the screenshot - on the recycled scores, I do not think I have to give examples, everyone should have seen this especially at challenger divisions over the last 12 months. It was reason we made background mandatory

I thought we were discussing the cpu-tab in the screenshot. Not the screenshot itself. We all saw what happened in challenger round 1...

You did not answer why the cpu-tab is needed for mem oc?

We checked ourselves, this is why we went for cpu 1,76 and the screenshot - on the recycled scores, I do not think I have to give examples, everyone should have seen this especially at challenger divisions over the last 12 months. It was reason we made background mandatory

I'm sorry, but I would like to see examples please.

And were the offenders that supposedly recycled the subs banned for cheating?

We all saw what happened in challenger round 1...

No we all did not.

@Rauf First of all the general rules from 2011! last update on screenshot rules say so, and second point is to rule out (or at least make harder)screenshot sharing

@ Mr.Scott I will not dig out old stuff, we draw the consequences from this to avoid stuff like this in the future

Whatever.

I'm so done with this.

The cheats suck every stitch of fun out of this hobby. And never any repercussions for them, just for the honest players.

Goalposts that change mid game, totally sick of it.

Crap like this is exactly why this hobby will never become any more than what it is already.

CHANGE IT.

HWBOT Memory Clock Benchmark Validation Regulations

HWBOT MEMORY CLOCK BENCHMARK VALIDATION REGULATIONS

Allowed benchmark versions Latest official CPU-Z version (find latest here)

Allowed operating systems

All Windows based

Default benchmark settings Score is the frequency as indicated behind “Ram Speed†in the validation link

Allowed optimisations N/A

Disallowed tweaks/cheats

Any software or human interaction altering the perceived speed of the benchmark program, tricking it to believe it ran faster

Verification screenshot requirements N/A

Verification link

A CPU-Z verification link is mandatory for all submissions. Validate your result here: here

CPU-Z validation name must match HWBOT username

Example screenshot N/A

Additional notes

This page contains the benchmark result regulation specifications for Memory Clock. The rules as described in our General Rules section are still applicable even if they are not specifically mentioned on this page.

 

It is your responsibility, and the responsibility of your team captain(s) that these rules are followed properly. Your submission may be blocked by hwbot crew without notice if your submission is in violation of one of these rules. Multiple infractions may lead to a warning, and eventually an account ban.

 

Changelog

Sep 29, 2014: allow all Windows based operating systems

May 19, 2008: screenshots no longer valid as verification method

May 15, 2008: initial draw

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HWBOT CPU Frequency Benchmark Validation Regulations

HWBOT CPU FREQUENCY BENCHMARK VALIDATION REGULATIONS

Allowed benchmark versions Latest official CPU-Z version for Windows or Android

Allowed operating systems

All Windows based

Default benchmark settings Score is the frequency as indicated under the section Processor CPU, next to “Frequency†in the validation link

Allowed optimisations N/A

Disallowed tweaks/cheats

Any software or human interaction altering the perceived speed of the benchmark program, tricking it to believe it ran faster

Verification screenshot requirements N/A

Verification link

A CPU-Z verification link is mandatory for all submissions. Validate your result here: here

CPU-Z validation name must match HWBOT username

Example screenshot N/A

Additional notes

This page contains the benchmark result regulation specifications for CPU Frequency. The rules as described in our General Rules section are still applicable even if they are not specifically mentioned on this page.

 

It is your responsibility, and the responsibility of your team captain(s) that these rules are followed properly. Your submission may be blocked by hwbot crew without notice if your submission is in violation of one of these rules. Multiple infractions may lead to a warning, and eventually an account ban.

 

Changelog

Sep 29, 2014: fix a couple of typing mistakes, allow all Windows based operating systems

May 19, 2008: screenshots no longer valid as verification method

May 15, 2008: initial draw

No need to change it when it is neither time limited nor team bound. If we would not need proof that the sub was made for a competition and not an older score was recycled, screenshot would not be necessary. I understand you are angry, maybe you can imagine how staff feels often when we have to make rules because we know a few guys, very few, like to bend or break the rules and we have a ton more on workload because of this. We do it to protect the legit guys

First of all the general rules from 2011! last update on screenshot rules say so, and second point is to rule out (or at least make harder)screenshot sharing

Sorry but we must be reading 2 separate set of rules.

Nothing about 2011 update, in fact says opposite. 2008 Screen shots no longer valid.

I quote it again, these are the screenshot rules of hwbot. If we ask for a screenshort for obvious, already discussed reasons, these apply

Screenshots are, next to the links, another method of providing the required verification. Please make sure your screenshot is as clear as possible! In general, this is required:

CPU-Z CPU information tab

CPU-Z Memory information tab

GPU-Z videocard information tab (3DMark/PCMark/Aquamark)

For SuperPi/Pifast: entire calculation has to be visible

For 3DMark/PCMark: benchmark settings have to be visible as well as the subtest scores

P.S. you can read the complete general rules here

HWBOT General Rules and Guidelines

We have never had to have a screenshot before just the validation Link.

With CPU and Mem clock validations the link is accepted without a screenshot for subs.

If you sub anything else it gets knocked back and you cant sub it without a screenshot.

If you made these rules in 2011 well why the hell now does the engine still accept CPUz subs without a screenshot?

To spring this on people now is wrong when they have already subbed without one and subbed that way before and its been the accepted norm.

For memclock validations does a screenshot with the CPUz mem tab suffice or do we have to have the CPU tab open too.

And for CPU clock validations do we have to have both tabs open as well I do sometimes sub a screenshot but its never been a requirement.

Sorry, if no one bothers to read the posts here, I will not explain all again. We have a time limit that only results made on or after start of team cup are accepted for the competition, if you do not understand this, it is not my problem anymore. It is the way it is

No need to change it when it is neither time limited nor team bound. If we would not need proof that the sub was made for a competition and not an older score was recycled, screenshot would not be necessary. I understand you are angry, maybe you can imagine how staff feels often when we have to make rules because we know a few guys, very few, like to bend or break the rules and we have a ton more on workload because of this. We do it to protect the legit guys

heres your problem...........nothing wrong with the rules as they are and have been, so to fix it is-----warning, infraction......then BAN....do what you should have done with them long ago, and if that is your excuse for rule change its piss weak to say the least

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because we know a few guys, very few, like to bend or break the rules

Cannot sub in SC4 stage 6.

Error says

This site can’t be reached

 

The webpage at Apache Tomcat/7.0.59 - Error report might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.

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Anyone wonder why I pushed so hard in the beginning to make rules clear before competition. We can't have things like "everyone should know", "I wrote one somewhere" or "that time we did this". How hard can it be? As I said, every. single. time.

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We have enough time to fix any kind of problem or "problematic situation" here.

Either it's from our side as users-contestants or from hwbot's side.

No need to be too aggresive and no need to put extra pressure on people , that have prooven to be honest , fair and hard workers , here at hwbot.

Remember to put the fun factor as number 1 priority.

Another rule that was added has gone by unnoticed: Sys-pic has to show memory module clearly. So i guess all results will be removed because they have fans covering the memory. What about ln2 pots on memory, is that ok?

People

 

We have enough time to fix any kind of problem or "problematic situation" here.

Either it's from our side as users-contestants or from hwbot's side.

 

No need to be too aggresive and no need to put extra pressure on people , that have prooven to be honest , fair and hard workers , here at hwbot.

 

Remember to put the fun factor as number 1 priority.

Yes, of course we all do this because it's fun. What's not fun is that maybe you've access to a particular hardware for a couple of days in the beginning of the competition and bench the hell out of it. Then, after you returned it, or it has died, the rules change and your submission is invalid all of a sudden. That could make even the happiest chump a little bitter...

Another rule that was added has gone by unnoticed: Sys-pic has to show memory module clearly. So i guess all results will be removed because they have fans covering the memory. What about ln2 pots on memory, is that ok?

Simply add a picture of the stick(s) used, no need to rebench because of this. I will not remove sumissions because of this, you are not vendor bound for example.

Generally, we cannot add tons of rules to each stage and even to the competition rules. We did this sometimes in the past and feedback was "too complicated, we overlooked some parts, etc" and had more problems than positive feedback from this. The rules for the specific benchmark always apply, and if we make add on to the rules at a competition like for example at memory stage, the general rules for validation apply.

Well sometimes people assume too much... too much drama as always... there are still over 80 days to get it something in...

I'll start aiding Websmile on moderating.

Just after a quick glance over the submissions: I spot a lot of incorrect clocks submissions. A lot will be removed as I see no background at all...

We need to make the arena as fair as possible. A lot of people have backups dating from earlier than the Team Cup as Websmile told before and will use them for sure.

Again usually all these small rule additions are the outcome of one or more contestants trying to use non allowed hardware, bend rules,...

There's still plenty of time left to get your acts together and have fun... some take this hobby way too serious...

Screenshot for cpuz validation stages isn't hell, and it was said at first in the comp rules.

For ddr modules in rig photo, can you explicitly write it in the rules plz ?

Websmile, you said peoples need common sense to avoid hundreds of rules pages, but peoples doesn't have all the same common sense.

Invest in a solid keyboard, you will always have to write rules

I tasked this, should be added shortly like the cpuz cpu/mem tab rule to make this bullet proof even if you do not read this thread or general rules.

I think Leeghoofd nailed it pretty well why we want screenshots with background for all stages, and also why we want cpuz tabs for mem stage. No one would be happy if at a s.939 stage for example suddenly an old backup score by giannigt is posted to own us all . Without this rule we could make database query before the comp starts and announce a winner based on scores from the past, no matter if guys still have the hardware or not. The team cup is meant to start at zero, all provide new results, all have the same chance therefore to make a good campaign

I see that its updated in the stages what should be in the screenshots, so far all good, but how come CPU tab is enough for cpu frequency if both tabs are needed for mem frequency?

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Screenshot must include CPU-Z CPU tab

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Screenshot must include CPU-Z CPU and Memory tab

And one last thing, can you please check my sub and say that its correct, so I dont have to rerun this a third time from new rules?

lanbonden`s Memory Clock score: 412.1 MHz with a DDR SD-RAM

We checked all results at sc1-4, what is left should be valid

on sc3 stage 6 the fix was screwed sigh - tasked it again

Do not think that SCREENSHOT is necessary there and in future, think it will be enough cpu-z validation. A ?

Do not think that SCREENSHOT is necessary there and in future, think it will be enough cpu-z validation. A ?

Plz do not think in our place we are well payed to do so :celebration:

Just follow the rules as they are laid down now!

Memory validations INCLUDING screenshot with CPU and mem tab open and verification link

CPU speed validation with CPU-Z CPU tab in the screenshot and verification link

Question re: Stage 4.4. Rules say no server parts, but lotsa folks used Opteron 100-series parts for S939 desktops. Allowed?

Sadly no, this is what hurts me personally a bit, but no exceptions. For all stages no server hardware, only exception is Skulltrail because it was a desktop gaming concept that Intel branded this way despite socket 771 used

what about dual socket 370 and dual slot 1 boards whit regulat celerons and Pentium II/III

for the dogepile can we use them in dual configuration or only on singel boards?

and plz confum thad if i use the skulltrail in singel qx9775 cpu config thad it whil not count as diferent qx9775 cpu

I guess the rules are clear, there is stated use one processor... On the second question, no idea what you mean, you can use the qx9775 in single configuration for the dogple and that´s ok, it will cover the model

i mean.

the skulltrail whit two qx9775 count as 2x qx9775, did it at the start of the comp.

but if i run the same skulltrail whit 1x qx9775.

whil the score count as 1x qx9775 and 2x qx9775 or whil the 2x qx9775 count, leving the 1x qx9775 out of the ranking.

You can only use one cpu

ok thx.

need to re bench

Still cannot sub in SC4 stage 6.

This site can’t be reached

 

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Will task this, obviously something is wrong as no subs were made at all so far, thx for heads up

Apologies if this has already been asked, but why no Pitcairn/Curaçao for SC1.5, Fire Strike Extreme? Doesn't seem fair to leave out the poor HD 7870/R9 270X, he just wants to play too...

BTW comp organizers, well done, awesome stages this year!

We discussed this but did not want to extend the group of allowed cards for this too much. Keeping up with AMD codenames and rebrands is already hard enough, on some stages it was not easy to determine the limits

Qestion about SC:3 Legacy (DDR2) •Stage 3: Wprime 1024 - Mobile Core/NetBurst

Is Penryn Core is allowed? I have a Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 "Penryn" Socket P system.

a Mobile Celeron (Northwood), Mobile Pentium 4 (Northwood), Mobile Celeron (Merom), Mobile Pentium 4 (Prescott), Mobile Pentium (Merom), Mobile Pentium (Yonah) processor

The stage is limited to these cpus, because of the mass of possible candidates it was cut down to these to make things clear for benchers

Still see this every time I try to submit to SC4 stage 6

This site can’t be reached

 

The webpage at Apache Tomcat/7.0.59 - Error report might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.

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Yet I see other subs in that stage. WHY?

I have honestly no idea, Scotty. I made a test submission and it worked immediately without any problem, I use Firefox. Maybe try another browser or double check size of screenshots and also if you have a typo or something else that kills the fun

websmile`s 3DMark 99 Max score: 5555 marks with a GeForce FX 5200 Ultra

P.S. Will delete sub this evening

ksateaaa23`s 3DMark 99 Max score: 10140 marks with a GeForce FX 5500 PCI 128bit

i could submit for the same stage. no problems for me.

SC4: Vintage - Stage 2 (Aquamark)

Only use processors from the 350,346,160,347 family

What are these families? These looks more like Celeron D series, but from LGA775.

So what specific s478-processors allowed, or all of them allowed? Thanks for attention.

Netburst 478 like in stage 1 - I guess I posted this before, but it will be hard to find after 22 pages, so we need a fix urgent @Massman

Related Netburst CPUs for socket 478

a Mobile Celeron (Northwood), Mobile Pentium 4 (Northwood), Mobile Celeron (Merom), Mobile Pentium 4 (Prescott), Mobile Pentium (Merom), Mobile Pentium (Yonah) processor

The stage is limited to these cpus, because of the mass of possible candidates it was cut down to these to make things clear for benchers

Hm, does any of these even support DDR2?

Edit: I guess Merom and Yonah does, but the rest?

SC4 is ddr1 stage.... please do not raise idea to use ddr2 on this^^

SC4 is ddr1 stage.... please do not raise idea to use ddr2 on this^^

I don't know who you answered, but my post above is regarding SC3 stage 3

Anyone else having locking issues with cpuz and Socket A cpus... I can run the benchmark, but during validation cpu-z always locks at 15%... even at stock clocks lol

Sorry, was a bit distracted - there are Prescott results with ddr2, I think I saw Northwood as well. Might be a good idea to do some research

@Albrecht try to disable some functions at cpuz ini, set values to 0 instead of 1, might be dmi or another check that makes it freeze

I have honestly no idea, Scotty. I made a test submission and it worked immediately without any problem, I use Firefox. Maybe try another browser or double check size of screenshots and also if you have a typo or something else that kills the fun

websmile`s 3DMark 99 Max score: 5555 marks with a GeForce FX 5200 Ultra

P.S. Will delete sub this evening

Wound up being a browser issue. Works fine in Firefox. I was using Chrome before. Funny though, I have subbed in other stages without having to change from Chrome.

Sadly no, this is what hurts me personally a bit, but no exceptions. For all stages no server hardware, only exception is Skulltrail because it was a desktop gaming concept that Intel branded this way despite socket 771 used

To me this is wrong in the part for socket 939 Opterons.

These are desktop CPUs.

For server you would need s.940.

If I remember correctly certain dual-cpu s.939 boards with nF4 chipset exist, which support Athlon64/Sempron CPUs, so going by this logic you should ban them too.

As long as a s.939 Opteron is used, I don't see a problem.

Why allow Skulltrail, but no s.939 Opterons that are basically the same as their Athlon64 counterparts.

Can you elaborate on the subject why these specific Opterons are not allowed.

Maybe there's something I don't know or missed in the discussion.

PS: And sorry if I ask the same question, but did not find an answer by searching the thread. I know we (participants) are annoying at times .

All Opterons are server cpus, no matter which socket, as well as xeons are server. If we allow 939 opertons, people will say this is not fair unless you allow xeon 3110 and 3210 and so on... The decision is a general one, we decided to disallow server parts to rule out expensive, rare parts to appear at certain stages, every exception would only cause trouble and confuse people what to use or not

I have two Asus boards that I was thinking of using, a P35 & P55 that have workstation in the name so can they be used for Team Cup?

Yes, we are not riding on principles, these are standard 1156 and 775 boards and give no advantage nor are they rare or super-expensive even when they were released

I would of said thank you for a no just looking for clarification!

I've been trying to get this XTU submission into the comp but for what ever reason when I click Participate nothing happens. Tried with Chrome & IE.

MrPaco`s XTU score: 489 marks with a Core i5 2400S

Could you please add it to SC-2/Stage-1

Thank you

Try Firefox Frank. I had issues too and that seemed to work.

Try Firefox Frank. I had issues too and that seemed to work.

Tried it; No go ...

I failed to add as well, tasked it to Pieter - it also doesnt show the settings for me

I failed to add as well, tasked it to Pieter - it also doesnt show the settings for me

OK.

Thank you

A Matrox Millennium P650 LP PCI-E card count this as workstation/server hardware?

Pro cards in general were a topic that was hard to judge, you normally get no big advantage by these at benching over desktop cards, other than on 16 or 24 core server cpus, we rules them out to keep things simple and workstation/server hardware rule understandable. To make staffs life easier, feel free to use all Matrox cards for the dogpile, as long as everyone has same chance it is OK

Thx.whil use it in dogpile.

I think we've already talk about this:

HWBOT Team Cup 2016 - SC1: Current Gen

Stage 2: 3DMark11 Full Out

Limitations

â–»a Nvidia GeForce 600 series , Nvidia GeForce 700 series videocard

only ONE videocard?

many 2x bench results....

I think we've already talk about this:

 

 

 

HWBOT Team Cup 2016 - SC1: Current Gen

 

Stage 2: 3DMark11 Full Out

 

Limitations

 

â–»a Nvidia GeForce 600 series , Nvidia GeForce 700 series videocard

 

 

 

only ONE videocard?

 

many 2x bench results....

"Full Out" I think mean "no limitations about number of VGA"

I think we've already talk about this:

 

HWBOT Team Cup 2016 - SC1: Current Gen

Stage 2: 3DMark11 Full Out

Limitations

â–»a Nvidia GeForce 600 series , Nvidia GeForce 700 series videocard

 

only ONE videocard?

many 2x bench results....

I think it's already been mentioned that there's no limitations in this stage, so as many as you want. As the above poster says, is a full out stage.

Quick question:

Sc1 - ddr4 max frequenza

Xoc mode allowed?

How can you detect ES?

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XOC is allowed and we have no option to detect ES on memory apart from the picture of the stick. The problem on this is that there are too much "ES" (aka vendor binned, handpicked sample) which we can not determine by spd anyway...

Is there something wrong with the HWBot Prime Dogpile points ranking? It seems to go: 10, 8, 7, 6, 6, 4, 6, 5, 4, 5 for the top 10 teams.

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That round, rules meant to be use different cpu or gpu?

GPUs, I thought this was fixed already...

GPUs, I thought this was fixed already...

Thanks bro, assumed as much but you never know.

is there a backround requirement for the team cup?? if so can you add it to the rules section? and also a link to download it?

Vin

The general rules apply, also the rules for each benchmarks, but because we have special requirements for team cup, we stated the specific rules at each stage and also added requirements for verification if these are different from normal procedure (for example verification screenshot with cpuz mem and cpu tab for memory and CPU validation stages) - there you can also download the background, it is available there at each SC and stage. And yes, the background is mandatory.

why not make it easy michael ? have all the rules on 1 page, all the the requirements of the rules for each stage right there, none of this back and forward from stage to stage to see what the bloody hell is needed for it, but i guess after the mem clock rules were changed to include a ram pic as well as everything else the rules change after the comp starts to suit whatever suits ...all this should be talked about, decided on an implemented b4 any comp starts, its not like its the first team cup to have this sorted out let alone all the bot troubles that pieter was the only one to fix it, just not good enough for bot to have these issues with so many comps, bloody ridiculous and i think unacceptable in competitions that bot want to run if its not all decided and sorted b4 the comp whatever it is is run

Too complicated imho, if we put all the stage rules explicitly on the overview page, this will end up in an enormously big page noone gets an overview. Hwbot tried this in the past at some competitions which had a lot less stages and this brought up big trouble (feedback was bad overview, easy to overlook certain requirements and similar issues). In theory it would be best to have one page with complete rules plus the stage rules again at the stages, I agree on this, but often feedback was tl;dr for people as said.

On some stages, we find bugs or problems only after we have feedback from the community, this results in addons or specification for rules, and sometimes we simply do not see all possibilities for loopholes at first sight even after checking the rules several times, this is when feedback from contestants comes in as well.

On the picture of the memory stick, this is easy to add without making new submission or even rebench, but we will handle this generously anyway. Our main problem with that one was engineering sample memory, handpicked vendor samples and similar items. We discussed this a lot, but we came to the result that we allow xoc mode for validations because some vendors give out sample with retail spd, some have special spd, and we cannot control the first to be ES anyway. Sometimes hwbot fails, but at a lot of issues, we simply have no alternative to making the rules the way we do, when vendors handle this differently, we cannot discriminate people using Zadak511 samples and allow G.Skill samples for example which have retail spd. It is not as easy sometimes as we would like it to be..^^

ok michael thx, ive got a bit more clear picture now, and i was meaning the team cup rules only, not all comps running on the same page, each comp run has there dedicated rules page of whats required in all the stages.....

Is not clear if zadak511 mem can be used the ic on the mem is retail Samsung B-die sec613

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I will keep this in mind for sure, I am well aware of the fact that the navigation for team cup pages in general needs improvement, on this I agree 100%. EOC sports was improved a lot last 12 months, but there is still headroom for more, learning by doing in this case

P.S. Franco, this memory is not available anywhere in shops worldwide it seems, normally it would fall into unreleased hardware or engineering sample. And we both know that handbinned sticks by vendors or sticks binned IC by IC are not reflecting retails. But as said, we cannot determine some of these samples, so we decided to not enforce the es rule on this.

Still surprises me that people can't just use plain common sense. Be logic, if you know it is an ES, special made cherry binned non retail sample don't use it...

Some really take these fun competitions way too seriously...

I was just asking Albrecht, since I've see some result with Xoc mode and no pictures...

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Still surprises me that people can't just use plain common sense. Be logic, if you know it is an ES, special made cherry binned non retail sample don't use it...

 

Some really take these fun competitions way too seriously...

"Honesty is such a lonely word"

Since Zadak isn't even available to buy yet it can't be used in the comp regardless of ES or not. Right?

I say it again, it can be used. We cannot make a rule that can´t be enforced, there are Galax and G.Skill handpicked samples for example with standard design and retail SPD we can not determine to be es or retail. The Samsung ICs used on Zadac are available world wide, so if we would rule these out and let Galax or GSkill or Team enter, this would be against the spirit of fair play. ES rule will not be enforced on memory sticks. After experience made at moderating I will not rely on people being honest and not use ES with retail comouflage...

I say it again, it can be used. We cannot make a rule that can´t be enforced, there are Galax and G.Skill handpicked samples for example with standard design and retail SPD we can not determine to be es or retail. The Samsung ICs used on Zadac are available world wide, so if we would rule these out and let Galax or GSkill or Team enter, this would be against the spirit of fair play. ES rule will not be enforced on memory sticks. After experience made at moderating I will not rely on people being honest and not use ES with retail comouflage...

Sad but true...

What's going on with Dogpile?

We had tons of subs, now we don't have crap.

Was going to ask the same thing, over half the subs have vanished.

Weird, this was not removed by staff, maybe a bug. We will check this

What's going on with Dogpile?

We had tons of subs, now we don't have crap.

Maybe all the quadro subs that got deleted?

Weird, this was not removed by staff, maybe a bug. We will check this

Maybe all the quadro subs that got deleted?

No.

It was my understanding that Quadro was ok anyway.

I dont think there was all that many Quadro's there anyway a lot of subs are gone that wasnt Quadro

Question:

Is any other team affected?, or just W9?

everybody, we have 5 subs or such lol

Workstation cards with one vga core are no problem, other than 28 core server cpus. Plus this is only an issue (theoretical) for dogpile because we have clear definition of what card series are allowed, on cpus this is different because they are defined by socket and architecture. This is why we handle fire gl and quadro generously and different from xeons and opterons, this was stated before cup started at the thread at competition annuncements. I think we all can see the difference to cpus and agree that restrictions are only made where needed, so we do not care about quadro at dogpile.

In fact the problem hit all teams, it seems all submissions above 5 are not counting to the result anymore at dogpile, they are still there but do not add to total. This will need a fix at databae or engine most likely, so no need to re submit atm. I already created a task for a fix

Thank you Michael.

I already created a task for a fix

it is possible to remove the preview pictures rig on the front page where rankings in rounds (hwprime and 3dm01) or add on/off option? when there are many images the browser very slow working...

it is possible to remove the preview pictures rig on the front page where rankings in rounds (hwprime and 3dm01) or add on/off option? when there are many images the browser very slow working...

This and maybe limit the number of "latest submissions" that are shown in the list. Although, currently none are showing?

Can I use an ES G3258 for SC2.7? It says "Engineering Samples and Unreleased Hardware not allowed", is that for the DDR3 or everything?

ES are not allowed for complete competition with all stages, so please do not use it or you will lose the result because it will be removed

The dogpile should be fixed (missing subs are now back), on the preview problem we try to find a solution that makes visting the page more convenient, might work or not, but we look for it

Might want to let whoever sent out the reminder emails that the Team Competition ends Sept 30th, not August 31st.

the preview pictures rig now showing again and while open competition window browser brakes every 60 seconds...it looks like a page refresh or refresh all many pictures on page...

the preview pictures rig now showing again and while open competition window browser brakes every 60 seconds...it looks like a page refresh or refresh all many pictures on page...

This is still the case. Worked well for about a week, but broken again.

In SC1 stage 5 the GPU's that are specified are Tahiti = 7970/R9-280X and lower but Pitcairn = 7870/R9-270X is not there I am wondering if its Ok to use a R9-270X seeing as its not listed and is a lower grade than Tahiti.

Please stay with the listed graphic core models, models that are not explicitly listed are not allowed

Thats not a problem I have got the Tahiti anyway.

It just seems silly that a model that sits in the middle of the ones listed cant be used.

Ah well I suppose you cant be expected to remember all the models in the range.

Pieter made the list and it was OK, if we would have hammered out more cores, it would have been chaos as there are a lot we could have added - the main "problem" was the rebranding, because of that we went by core models because we wanted to avoid that same card is ruled out just because it has a rebranded name^^

Thanks for the explanation:)

Trying to submit a score to Stage 3.3 with a Yonah-based T2300, but the sub gets spat back as non-compliant. What's up?

edit - Ugh, I get it now. Has to have "Pentium" in the name. D'oh!

I made test submission and failed as well - I created a ticket to check if it is wrong configuration or it is ruled out for whatever reason. My best guess would that it is out because it is no Pentium or celeron, but let´s wait for answer, might be core duo not allowed

Core Duo have 2Mb L2 Cache. Pentium (Yonah) just 1Mb. From what I can say, the intention of this stage was a battle between Mobile Pentium CPUs.

I must admit, that the last Pentiums with "Mobile" in their name was the Mobile Pentium 4. So its maybe a little bit misleading. I think about another name scheme after this comp.

In need of some help.

I have been trying over and over to get an XTU submission in SC2/S1 but for what ever reason it just will not submit.

I tryed submitting from XTU, Manual, various browsers, re-ran it several times and nothing. They show up in my XTU profile on Bot but thats it.

When I try manual, I get There is an issue with the supplied data file. Please try again, if the problem persists contact the HWBOT crew.

Here is the submission if I can get some help getting it submitted would be greatly appreciated.

Intel Core i5-2400S CPU @ 3500.0MHz - 604 XTU marks on HWBOT

*MrPACO

I have no idea what causes the problem, maybe you use an old xtu version?

http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=150700

You can send me the file via PM and I try if I can submit, might help to find the problem

Will PM you the file

The version in use is 6.0.2.8

No way to attach the file in PM

Can you submit straight from the XTU application?

I imagine it might be some issue related to Sandy Bridge architecture and profile export. Perhaps try version 5.2.0.14

I checked the file, does not work for me as well. Iirc, Pieter might be right, it is no problem of outdated version but maybe too new, we had this in the past with 2600k and similar cpus

Can you submit straight from the XTU application?

 

I imagine it might be some issue related to Sandy Bridge architecture and profile export. Perhaps try version 5.2.0.14

Yes I tryed via XTU as well as manual via Bot.

Will give v-5.2.0.14 a shot.

Not sure if any one is aware but there used to be a TAB to view the Over-All Rankings (yesterday it was there), but no longer see it. Shows the tabs for each SubComp but not the over all Team Cup Rankings.

Click here.

My question:

Team Cup 2016 - SC2 (Modern Gen) - Stage 6 HWBOT x265 1080P

Is acceptable the result with

Priority: Realtime

Pmode enabled

Overkill mode 2x enabled

?

It's important to know BEFORE the end of the cup

This is part of the options of the benchmark, and real time is no forbidden tweak - so yes, you can do it

This is part of the options of the benchmark, and real time is no forbidden tweak - so yes, you can do it

thank you for reply Michael

It seems there are some irritations about the memory frequency stages. As stated several times, cpuz cpu and memory tab are mandatory for the screenshot, the reason has already been explained in deep and I only mention this again as a heads up in case someone missed this.

The second point is the difference allowed between validated frequency and screenshot shown memory frequency. We do indeed accept scrrenshots which show potential but do not exactly match the validated frequency, we did this in the past already on all competitions(pro oc, gskill qualifier and so on). The margin can be maximum of 2%, which means you validate 2000MHz and 1960 at screenshot will be OK for us, because we know doing a screenshot at limit settings can be hard and we only want general proof you have a capable system. I hope this clears a couple of questions

Ah 2%? Cool I could never get a screenshot for greater than 1600 DDR2 with two CPUz open. One was fine though, so I guess I have some more scores to upload.

But can we use version 1.7.7? Or does it have to be only 1.7.6?

1.76 or later is OK

SC3 Legacy - Stage 2 (3DM03)

The rules states Socket 775, DDR2 and P4 65nm, 90nm, 130nm, 180nm. It seems almost everyone is using Pentium D, which is based on Netburst and everything.... but in fact is not a "Pentium 4" by name. I assume it is ok to use PD here?

Yes, it is OK

I do not envy you once you start checking screen shots for the entire comp. There will be much disappointment.

the rule of the screenshot below 2% also applies to the maximum CPU frequency ?

Yes, 2% is ok there as well