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30 pts
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33 pts
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40 pts
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22 pts
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30 pts
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17 pts
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30 pts
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14 pts
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216 pts | |
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50 pts
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40 pts
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14 pts
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26 pts
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15 pts
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15 pts
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25 pts
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12 pts
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197 pts | |
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32 pts
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29 pts
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20 pts
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14 pts
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18 pts
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30 pts
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18 pts
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20 pts
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181 pts | |
| 4 |
41 pts
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19 pts
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33 pts
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8 pts
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25 pts
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22 pts
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19 pts
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11 pts
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178 pts | |
| 5 |
36 pts
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26 pts
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19 pts
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24 pts
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17 pts
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16 pts
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22 pts
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13 pts
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173 pts | |
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14 pts
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17 pts
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22 pts
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40 pts
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22 pts
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25 pts
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13 pts
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6 pts
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159 pts | |
| 7 |
20 pts
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24 pts
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17 pts
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11 pts
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19 pts
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18 pts
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17 pts
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10 pts
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136 pts | |
| 8 |
24 pts
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20 pts
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26 pts
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15 pts
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13 pts
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12 pts
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14 pts
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7 pts
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131 pts | |
| 9 |
22 pts
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13 pts
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29 pts
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17 pts
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9 pts
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13 pts
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10 pts
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5 pts
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118 pts | |
| 10 |
28 pts
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12 pts
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15 pts
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29 pts
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6 pts
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8 pts
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8 pts
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5 pts
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111 pts |
The page is live! Big thanks to our main partner Gskill for the awesome prizes!
Very nice! Good Luck everyone.
Damn cool prize, G.SKill Pi cl6's
Hell yeah! Good luck
By the way, if you want your link to be added to the list of references, just let me know!
Only 2 days left
Great prizes btw!
Added that one already
@Der8auer: hahaha
How does this Hwbot prime thing work ? I can't get it to work , doesn't seem to thave an executable...
I think ze Germans are going for it this year...
Thanks to G.Skill, Cooler Master and Gigabyte for the fab prices !
We'll try at least.
Maybe this can help you?
Awesome prizes! Good luck everyone!
http://www.rehwolution.it/news/hwbot-annuncia-la-quinta-edizione-della-country-cup/ here it goes for the italian side
you guys will love the gskill prizes
awesome PSC kits...
If we only can win them...
Good luck everyone, but you don't have any chance this year
. You can freely fight for the 2nd place though.
There are no AMD stages dude, you will loose big time !!
no competition background?
Yes there is. Available on the stage detail pages.
//edit: just added it to the main competition page as well.
my standerd speed of cpu is 4 ghz so looks like no overclocking in stage 8 only lots of tweaking
I initially read that as 'lots of twerking'. Bonus points for all submissions with photos/videos of twerking.
I liked it at 5ghz, takes too long at 4ghz.
Stage 7 page doesn't seem to be working...
4GHz is kinda ok for latest Intel generation, but for older chips it will take looooong.
I guess the idea is to make it accessible for all people with all kind of cooling.
Aquamark should be all cpu on older generations
And I will beat you with intel, promise 
The 4GHz cap actually kinda makes this more interesting for me. I have more chips that I can play about with then
Question for stage 3.
i5 750 for example not allowed? Only 655K?
For stage 4, Pentium cpu's from LGA 775 socket are alright? Example Pentium E5200, E5400, E6300, E6500 , etc.
Or it's about Pentium SB/IB/Haswell core?
That is an odd restriction - imo any i5 for stage three should be allowed, any generation. Though it's obvious some > others.
The stage has limitations set to Core i3/i3 Mobile only right now, but any that are labelled Pentium by ark.intel.com should be ok on the rules as written in text. All in this link for Legacy Pentiums: http://ark.intel.com/products/family/78132/Legacy-Intel-Pentium-Processor/desktop
Maybe I have expressed myself incorrectly before. All Core i3 and Pentium/Celeron counterparts are allowed. The stage is for the low-end stuff, which is now i3 + Pentium + Celeron.
No legacy Pentium like S478 or Pentium D.
Yeah, that wasn't expressed clearly at all.
What you mean is: Any Pentium/Celeron part must be a member of a family that includes an i3 part.
So anything based on Nehalem architecture and up (Arrandale, Clarkdale), but not Wolfdale.
Yes, correct.
Apoligies for the weak communication on that part :-/
Pentium E2180 is allowed in Stage 4?
No legacy Pentiums.
For the full list of approved CPUs, check here: http://hwbot.org/hardware/processors#key=core_i3 and http://hwbot.org/hardware/processors#key=core_i3_mobile
ok, perfect
Man, I was about to prepare my 775 board and the E5700...had to find something else then.
any errors.....
Stage5: AMD FX-55 SanDiego ->
Stage7: after Submit Benchmark result ->
don't work ->
sin to participate in Stage 6 must be the advanced version of Catzilla
Catzilla 576P should be free, no?
If not, we change that benchmark. But I was convinced 576P is free.
to load the result should be the validation file, which can be saved only with the advanced version of Catzilla
> Stage 5, can you send the Aquamark file to pieter@hwbot.org ?
> Stage 7, how large are the attached screenshots ?
> Database link, can you try different browser? Works here on Firefox, but not chrome, and on another PC it works on Chrome.
Try again, I enabled screenshot.
works perfectly...:celebration:
email done
the screenshot 460kb and the picture of the system 200kb
IE9 don´t work , Firefox not installet Win764
another PC works not with Firefox XP32
I can not upload anything in stage 7, I get this error:
I tried with IE and Firefox...
If you have trouble submitting to aquamark stage send me a message and the files thru PM or email.
works!!! :banana:
Both, wrapper sends ridiculous cpu frequency and site can't handle it. Opened a ticket 1 month ago.
I can not upload Pentium E5400 result in Stage 4.
Need to add the 775 Pentium's on this stage.
No, they're left out deliberately:
http://forum.hwbot.org/showpost.php?p=271919&postcount=22
Damn, so I wasted $25 on this little Wolfdale for nothing...
Sorry to hear that.
As always: Blame Massman.
I've removed some submissions from the competition. Please use the correct competition background.
Cannot submit to stage 5 with FX-8320.
please fix stage 5, no submission work
i cant submit to stage 6 with trinity A8-4500m..
What are the error messages?
How exactly do you submit the hybrid result? I thought you already explained it but I can't find it anywhere
This one:
http://extreme.pcgameshardware.de/attachments/690427d1382373716-hwbot-country-cup-2013-diskussionsthread-hybrid.png
Example:
- Radeon HD 6630D2 (Hybrid) = Radeon HD 6550D + Radeon HD 6570
So, the benchmark result must be submitted as:
- Category = Radeon HD 6630D2
- GPU Count = 2
The 6xxxD hybrids get a new name, the 7xxxD hybrids do not. So I guess 7xxxD crossfire?
i can´t submit my score with FX-55 San Diego ->
when I type FX-55 Clawhammer it does not go
it does not detect the CPU
No, only the Hybrid category is allowed. Since 7xxxD series don't get a new naming scheme, they can't be used for "Hybrid".
I did say this was the most difficult category
.
Le sigh. That wasn't stated at any point. AMD considers 7xxxD combinations as hybrid. Please adjust the words in the contest to state your 'clarification'.
in my chase, the error is
"* ONLY MAKE SUBMISSIONS WITH A SOCKET INTEGRATED VIDEOCARD. - YOUR SUBMISSION DOES NOT COMPLY TO THIS RULE - VIDEOCARDS USING THE INTEGRATED SOCKET: GEFORCE 6100, S3G UNICHROME PRO, RADEON 9100 IGP, GMA 900 82915G , GMA 950 (GM945 MOBILE), GMA 3000 (946GZ, Q965, Q963), ETC."
What is the graphics card you enter under the Graphics Card section? For the A8-4500M, you should link the score to the "Radeon HD 7640G" category.
//edit: found a small bug with that category. It is fixed, it should work now
.
thanx, it's fine now!
//edit:
+question: can i go with A8-4500m HD7640G+HD7650m to stage 7 hybrid?
Only if it makes a new name in GPU-Z. Chances are the 7xxxD/7xxxG processors do not.
Same thing for my FX-8320.
Errors on processor entry.
Can you submit the score as a normal submission? So not via the competition page.
I'll try that now.
EDIT- Yes, it goes, but not entered in comp.
and no prompt to submit it there.
http://hwbot.org/submission/2446259_mr.scott_aquamark_geforce_gtx_460_(256bit)_255158_marks?recalculate=true
There are over 1000 entries with that cpu, should be a worth few points to you.
please fix stage 5, no submission work...
this is the error (with FX-8350):
You knew where I was going with that, haha
.
It is very odd that the competition does not show up in the sidebar, though.
Yes. ID10T error. Not this time though.
What's the correct GPU set in HWBOT engine for hybrid HD7560D + HD6570? HD7560D x2 crossfire?
Pieter, why isn't FX-55 allowed?
They are allowed. At least, they are included in the processors that are allowed.
It doesn't work, I tried submitting U22's score and it ranks but the competition pop-up doesn't show.
I receive the same error with crappy coding skills when trying to submit a data file for hwbot prime.
I submited before this, another score for hwbot prime, but I haven't done it from the competition page. When I click the "Participate" button it says "Sorry, an error occured. Are you sure you meet the requirements?"
What am I doing wrong?
P.S. This is the submission: http://hwbot.org/submission/2446356_
another problem.. i have submit my another config's score (s775) spi32m to stage8, but does not appear on the competition, only the default page..
//edit: oh.. i got it, only one submit/user/stage allowed..
stage 5 now works:)
thx!
stage 4 with dual core 775 is allowed ?
No....
Pentium 4 (mono core) LGA 775 are allowed?
Massman has essentially stated that hybrid setups that do not change the name in gpuz will nnot qualify for the hybrid part of the contest. You need to go back to llano to get an apu that qualifies for that round.
Thanks, borandi. But I have some point about it.
The hybrid only add the discrete VGA at the end, running recent versions of GPU-Z, take a look: http://hwbot.org/image/1049323.jpg
But it makes possible to create a category (in the case, HD 7650D + HD 6570 Dual, or another setup, like HD 7660D + HD 6670, for example), because the setup is detected like this.
Considering the fact of Trinity and Richland APU can be used on hybrid setup, I suppose they can participate in the Country Cup, regardless of whether they have a special identification or not. I think the Trinity and Richland could participate.
Massman will take care of the 775 question, perhaps he should write a special note on 775 CPUs for that stage
Yup I know, that much is obvious. It's a small land of unqualified statements here where the ref only reveals the goalposts at various points after the kickoff when you've already started building the team!
To this extent though, you need one of the following here that creates a new name:
http://www.cpu-world.com/info/AMD/Recommended_graphics_cards_for_AMD_dual-graphics.html
So let's go, I'll get back the Llano 3670K and make a HD6610D2. It'll give me some work, it's in a workstation now. However, it's the Country Cup
I have added some clarification to the competition stage pages. Sorry for all the confusion, especially about the Hybrid categories!
???
Strange, the link works here perfectly.
Can you try another browser?
http://hwbot.org/hardware/processors#key=athlon_64_fx_62
This chip is am2 socket not 939.
For stage 5: Aquamark (AMD FX): for this stage only AMD FX CPUs are allowed. There is no restriction on the GPU. Per country five scores are required, each with a unique CPU socket.
So fx 939, 940, Am2, Am3+ and 1207 are necessary to complete the stage.
Or unique CPU cores like zambezi, vishera, windsor, clawhammer and san diego?
Relax, Massman. The hybrid categories is naturally confuse lol
Cpu socket, so it will be fx 939, 940, am2, am3+ etc.
Is it REALLY by cpu socket and when was that changed?
Old requirement was by cpu core.
from here: http://hwbot.org/news/9988_hwbot_announces_fifth_edition_of_country_cup_2013_edition_starts_november_1/
The AMD FX stage is (and has always been) by CPUCORE.
So Piledriver, Bulldozer, ...
And hard to find... More expensive than new
Then you need to change the requirement on the competition page, because now it says cpu socket
Thanks for the really quick answer!
http://hwbot.org/competition/country_cup_2013/
I've read here
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Ah damn. The version on the competition page was the only one. It was correct in the overview table, and the announcement.
Updated the competition page now!
I'm confused, for stage 7, is Llano the only CPU able to be used? I see Intel platforms being used and not aware that Intel can do hybrid GPU, unless I'm wrong?
EDIT:
Nevermind, I understand you need a submission from each of the platforms.
So for the older FX chips, core would be clawhammer, windsor, san diego, etc.? Unless it's K8?
That is correct, FX-62 Windsor, FX-60 Toledo, etc
Why I can't make submission in stage 6 with E-350(zacate) APU.
http://hwbot.org/submission/2447800_
It is Socket FT1 BGA like E1-1200 'Zacate'. Am I missing something ?
is sandy bridge and ivy bridge considered the same socket for stage 8 as well as clarkdale/lynnfield ?
yes
thanks mang
Allen sorry, we can't allow you to win this one mate... that would be too much !
all in good fun!
NVM found answer
Question:
For the Catzilla AMD APU stage, I see that the HD 6550D is stated using 'BeaverCreek' Core, and HD 6620G using 'Sumo' Core (although GPU-Z will state both GPU using 'sumo' core) Does that mean those two is considered using two different cores?
one more,
According to hwbot, the HD 8470D is using Devastator' Core, but TPU Gpudb is listing this GPU using 'Scrapper' Core - which one was it was correct?
Thanks a lot
On note of the APU catzilla round, is it enough that the GPUs are a different model no? IE 8670D and 8470D or do they need to be from entirely different releases?
Thought I had found one stage where the hardware was readily available, silly me haha
1) Yeah, different. 6620G is Sumo core.
2) Good call! It is in fact Scrapper core (and 7640D is Scrapper too, but different generation). Made the distinction in the database, both count as different GPU cores.
Thanks Mass
So just to further clarify, we can use these APUs to fulfill the 5 submission requirement for Catzilla stage:
1. A10-6800K / HD 8670D - devastator'
2. A10-5800K / HD 7660D- devastator
3. A8-3870K / HD 6550D - beaver creek
4. A6-6400K / HD 8470D - scrapper'
5. A6-5400K / HD 7540D - scrapper
Is that right?
Don't forget,
A4-3400/HD 6410 - Winterpark is also there and a confusing number of mobile chips that have a few more types (Ontario and Wrestler, I believe)
Yup, that would work.
I think I'm confused now. So using a 6800K and a 5800K would make for two separate submissions despite the fact they are both Devestator core?
Is the list that Lucky_n00b provided an acceptable list that would get a country to fill the stage? Or would it only register 3 submissions considering there are two Devestator cores and two Scrapper cores listed?
It is an acceptable list, and would show as 5 submissions.
Background information: our database structure links gpu_core to gpu_family. We cannot link one core to two families. So, Devestator is linked to the HD 7000 series, and Devestator' linked to the HD 8000 series. It's something we can't work around
.
Got it now, maybe a note on the stage's page so that everyone is aware of the 'loophole' (not really sure what to call it
)
Perhaps you should change the core name to Devestator 7000 series and Devestator 8000 series so its a little easier understand. When I initially searched around the database for cores to use I totally missed they were considered different.
Thanks for the clarification!
for spi32 low can somebody with new socket beat a score with a socket that has been ran already and replace that socket or do you have to sick with the sockets that has been ran
Quickfast: yes, you can submit on a new socket, as long as all seven scores that count are with different sockets
Lucky_n00b: nice list
I assume this is allowed? or no
what the hell is that?
PCI to PCIe adaptor?
PCIe x1 to PCI adaptor, so you don't have to go find a board with PCI. Though does it work for video output?
Confirmed
hasfail and pci gogogogo
Used this for i-ram on haswell working fine as well
so how does one submit a hwbot prime result simply times out each time can't connect to server?
Question:
HD8670D (A10-6700) + 6670HD forms which Hybrid GPU combination ?
Not a valid one for the contest. It'll just show HD8670D + 6670 in GPU-Z. You need one with a whole new designation: anything in this link that has a new name is valid - http://www.cpu-world.com/info/AMD/Recommended_graphics_cards_for_AMD_dual-graphics.html
So in fact only Llano series then ?
so the german and hungarian scores are not valid then ?
Better clarify this now to all contestants...
Correct, according to what MM has said in this thread, those would not be valid.
I don't get it
Valid combinations for Hybrid stage:
HD6410D + HD6350 = HD6430D2
HD6530D + HD6450 = HD6550D2
HD6530D + HD6570 = HD6610D2
HD6530D + HD6670 = HD6690D2
HD6550D + HD6450 = HD6550D2
HD6550D + HD6570 = HD6630D2
HD6550D + HD6670 = HD6690D2
HD6410D + HD6350A = HD6430D2
HD6410D + HD6450A = HD6510A2
HD6410D + HD6550A = HD6570A2
HD6530D + HD6450A = HD6550A2
HD6530D + HD6550A = HD6590A2
HD6530D + HD6650A = HD6670A2
HD6530D + HD6750A = HD6710A2
HD6550D + HD6450A = HD6550A2
HD6550D + HD6550A = HD6610A2
HD6550D + HD6650A = HD6690A2
HD6550D + HD6750A = HD6730A2
HD6480G + HD6430M = HD6510G2
HD6480G + HD6450M = HD6510G2
HD6480G + HD6470M = HD6510G2
HD6480G + HD6490M = HD6515G2
HD6520G + HD6450M = HD6540G2
HD6520G + HD6470M = HD6540G2
HD6520G + HD6490M = HD6545G2
HD6520G + HD6630M = HD6580G2
HD6520G + HD6650M = HD6720G2
HD6520G + HD6730M = HD6740G2
HD6520G + HD6750M = HD6755G2
HD6520G + HD6770M = HD6775G2
HD6620G + HD6450M = HD6640G2
HD6620G + HD6470M = HD6640G2
HD6620G + HD6490M = HD6645G2
HD6620G + HD6630M = HD6690G2
HD6620G + HD6650M = HD6740G2
HD6620G + HD6730M = HD6760G2
HD6620G + HD6750M = HD6755G2
HD6620G + HD6770M = HD6775G2
Basically anyone who could read a table should have got that from the CPU-World page.
So Ian basicly you are saying me and Roman can't read
I think AMD steered away from the hybrid naming scheme in Llano because you can have two different GPU combinations ended up with the same name, and end users might get confused.
But the end of the day: Best desktop hybrid combination for the contest is HD6550D + HD6670 = HD6690D2.
If MM wants to declare that any 'Dual Graphics' AMD solution (which will be in the GPU-Z name, and should probably get its own HWBot category) is fine then I'm ok with that, but as it is written, the list above I provided is what's required.
On a side note. Next year: Lucid graphics? Must use 1 AMD and 1 NVIDIA GPU?
How about 'PCIe at x1'
Ian, please don't give Massman more weird and crazy idea
:D
* Dang, The FX Aquamark stage already giving me headaches now x_x *
For anyone participating in the Aquamark stage, please upgrade to latest version: http://tiny.cc/hwbotaqua
I was just going to bench "full throttle".
New version gives me this:
PS: Same on my 24/7 fully-updated Win7 x64
Redownload 2.51, you're having the early 2.50 right?
I used the one from the link you provided and get the same error. Why post the current/must use version here and not update on the main download page at hwbot? On the download page its still 2.26...
Redownloaded and it still says 2.50.105.
I've used the link you provided both times.
So no fix to uploading hwbot prime yet? Been trying for 2 days same shit or is uploading the REAL benchmark lol
Save your result, then upload it to the website, rather than submit direct from the benchmark.
Same here, still only got 2.50.105 from download...
Resynced dropbox, try downloading now.
worked, really great software btw...
Yes, it works. So we can use this new version for the CC?
Yeh tried that for days and no joy error 400 bad request. I give up you win hwbot prime!!
At least you can get it to run. Downloaded from bot website, installed SDK and can't find a .jar file anywhere.
Huh? It should just be in the .zip file ...
I've downloaded twice and this is what's there. Am I blind or something?
Oh, you've opened the .jar file.
First install Java, then extract the downloaded .zip file. With Java installed, you should then see the .jar file correctly.
Ah, I see know. I downloaded it then extracted it to move it over to the bench PC. Thanks Massman.
You can use which version works best for you, I encourage the new one as I don't have time to manually fix scorefiles for 2.26/2.27, especially since this is going to be a pretty active stage.
It needs to be a Hybrid category, so your list is correct. If a combination is not a Hybrid category, it will not be considered as such.
There's some problem with single core A64. It was simply not starting the bench.
If I kill the wrapper then the aquamark loads, otherwise it just displays 2 "windows" half-open - one white for the wrapper and one black for aquamark. Using auto settings.
However it works on my multi-core 24/7 machine. Maybe it's my crippled XP, I don't know.
Not working for me either. Bench starts and runs without issue but scores are never transferred to the wrapper for submission. When I save I get 0 for all tests. Also on stripped XP install. PII x4 965 BE.
Is this with the new version of Aquamark wrapper? V 2.26 work fine with my FX-60 and stripped down XP. It wouldn't identify the chip proper but I figured it was because even the BIOS didn't recognize the chip.
Yes, newest version. 2.26/2.27 worked fine for me too, except for a couple small things.
See if it works in MANUAL mode. Also make sure you run as admin and do NOT have My Documents opened in explorer. I will update it tomorrow to save the log outside the scorefile so I can debug your issue(s).
The startup is slow due some additional detection of used gfx ports. You can disable System Info, that should start it instantly (there is a .reg file in the installation folder). If wrapper started but bench didn't, try in Manual mode and check task manager for any aquamark3.exe that didn't close previously (if it is the case).
Makes no difference auto or manual. The scores are never transferred and even if I try to save the empty file, the app crashes to desktop. Tested on my daily machine, same thing happens.
Fermi PCI card inbound lmao this is fun!
Is it allowed to run 3dm03 without systeminfo?
My hybrid and integrated setup seems to have a problem starting the benchmark ("3DMark has stopped working"), but it was doing fine if the systeminfo was disabled.
Thanks,
Darn the UP4 just caught fire...
The FM2 Board?
I also just ordered my 2nd one.
Lol
Can anybody scale past about 1263mhz on the 8670D/6800K? I'm using the tdp tool stilt released and my score is still going to crap no matter what I'm benching with more clocks. UP4 board.
Same problem here.
And with 5800K/7660D I can't pass 1382 MHz
Ofcourse my score will suck monkey balls, but who cares
sorry don't ask for bios screenies the board is a goner...
I don't know about 7660D but getting the clocks is fine, it's the score that blows after it.
Strange too because say 1260 will be fast, then 1350 (approx) will be slow but 1450 (approx) will be faster than 1350 but slower than 1260. Seems weird
Is it the same thing The Stilt built an application for?
http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?p=269267
Catzilla sometimes behaves erratic too, sometimes the Physics score is insanely low, you reboot and it's up again, then the other subtests score lower... feels like pcmark, you need that lucky run to get it coming together...
For me the benchmark hardly scaled after 1350 on the 5800K, when we benched the 6800K the board halted our tries at 1200 so we got close to Jacks score on air lol
The real clock doesnt change on my setup. No matter if I set 1400 or 1500 the real clock is still just 1382 MHz.
Maybe I should try to tool of Stilt
It could be bug of GPU-Z, I had the same bug many times.
Maybe try F4 bios Roman, your Physx scores also lower with 100Mhz more on the CPU, run rerun till it get's it right...
I can set the clocks from bios and it shows in gpu-z altough only in 120mhz or so steps. It almost feels like the gpu jumps onto a new divider when the clocks go up which is bringing performance down, is that a possibility?
Yes, it's possible. The Stilt explained it in the ASRock thread,
Ah, interesting. Thanks for that.
I have actually been using the tool Stilt built for this very purpose, but maybe it's not working on the gigabyte boards? Or maybe there's a TDP limit enforced by the bios that has no setting to override?
Might have to try an Asrock Extreme6 and see if I get the same thing. Taking this whole a little fun with an amd apu thing waaay to far
It might just be so that the Gigabyte board is not supported. I don't know, but I think he suggested that in some cases the tool might not work.
I guess the best option would be to shoot the guy a PM and check
I can't get this HWBOT Aquamark3 wrapper (version 2.51.106) to install. Downloaded it three times, tried installing four or five times, and it still won't load!
Gives me an error message every time saying that it's missing files and has failed to start. "This application has failed to start because MSVCR100.dll was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem." "This application has failed to start because MSVCP100.dll was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem."
Wanted to compete in the Aquamark3 stage, but can't get the wrapper to work.
Can I just run the 1.0 version wrapper? That one actually WILL install and run on my PC.
Any suggestions?
You can try downloading the file at the link I found and follow the installation directions that's on the download page.
Hope this helps.
http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?msvcr100
This was posted elsewhere in response to that error, maybe it will help...
Tried that, didn't fix my problem though. Just kept asking me to buy the professional version of their software.
Now THAT fixed my problem. Thank you very much.
Shame I just wasted two hours trying to figure out what was wrong.
Seems a few are having the same issue. I also encountered the same message and google helped me find the answer. Then I came to this thread and everyone suggested the same thing I had found.
Good thing is that although you may have wasted 2 hours, you still have 46 days left
Scores submitted with AMD Bobcats - small and lower power but true APUs like E-350 and E-450 (soldered socket on the motherboard - BGA413) are allowed?
Later edit:
Actually, I took a look at CPU database
http://hwbot.org/hardware/processors?from=processor_2393#key=bga_ft1
and it seems they are BGA FT1 socket, somewhat matching the rules.
I asked same thing last week, but nobody wished to answer me.
My apoligies - of course they are allowed too. As you say, those are APUs too.
I have added the socket type to the competition page!
Some brand spankin new i3-560 fun ahead
ebay seller assured me it does 7ghz prime95 24 hours on cold air....... ;P
lol ok then, we have a winner here
Should do 9Ghz on LN2 then!
that awkward moment when you realize the board you have been using doesnt match the bios
is this cpu ok for stage 4 please ?
http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/pentium_e6500k_2.93ghz/
No legacy Pentiums (775).
So what's the situation with Aquamark?
I'm back from a business trip and I want to bench Aquamark. Will a score with v2.26/2.27 still eligible?
Yes, you can use v2.26/2.27/2.51
Anyone get's a 6690D2 in GPU-Z combining a 3870K and a 6670 GPU in Hybrid crossfire... tried different versions of GPU-Z and drivers always the same 2 (1024 shared memory) or even 3GPUs ( 512 shared memory) pop up in the GPU-Z tab where it mentions Crossfire is enabled...
plz don't tell me we need to install a special version of win7 to get it reading it out correctly
Yeah man, I also don't get 6690D2 also by combining 6550D+6670, so I guess we can just put two GPU-Z tab for the clarification?
Currently any version that works for you. 2.52 is now done, with XP support fixed among others, but I plan on replacing the installer to stop getting the false positives so it might take another day to get it tested and released.
Yay! :ws:
I'm out man, my GB UP4 board gave in at the above speeds and took out the CPU too lol. My second FM board down... these are so fragile
However this one was close too stock speeds
Yes, same happened to my UP4 in the Gigabyte contest - died and took the APU with it..on stock speeds (or it was the APU that killed the board, can't tell). Then it killed 5800K too when I tried to check if the board is ok.
My current board Asrock 2A85X Extreme6 seems much more stable. But APUs die "easily" with 1.6+ vNB/vGPU.
@ Leeghoofd & I.nfraR.ed:
Dang, have to be careful with my UP4 then..thanks for the heads-up though
Good tip Alva, save every score you get mate, these boards go out in a blink of an eye
I've killed two 5800k on it and ran a 6800k, board still works fine. The 6800k probably would have died too, had I tried to run 3d benches on it.
I think hwbot prime is a better bench then XTU
no offense, clean easy to run and only requires Java....
When I tried aquamark 2.26 or 2.27 in xp with 780 lightning, the bench runs but no wrapper or score afterwards. With 2.51 I get 0 for all scores. With a gtx 580, all versions work fine with both new and old drivers.
Just sharing my experience. I got results in w7 already using 2.51
plz use required background pic for submissions to country cup
you able to run it by your local rep to take the board in and have it looked at to see what the possible cause is? involve me in the loop if you can so i can track to see what happened.
Win7 is much faster Mike;) Only old cards till Fermi need XP for Am3
Feel free to report those that don't have the correct background. They will be removed from the competition.
For the Catzilla stage would an A10 6800k and an A8 6600k be ok since they are different gpu core?
You mean A10-6800k vs A8-6600k I think
bingo
Puerto Rico first score is up today
Bought the A75 UD4H on Ebay Dino, returning it. The A85-UP4 is going to GB NL tomorrow... thanks for the heads up !
I think so yes. It's HD 8670D and HD 8570D so should be okay.
Thanks for the clarification.
If you mean will they provide different entries for the stage, I don't believe they will. Both 6800K and 6600K use the Devestator core and would only provide a single entry for the competition. You would have to go down to the 6400K (Scrapper) to get a different GPU core within the Richland chips.
Let's wait for Massman to reply. He should know the answer
Like I said I'm not sure either.
He already replied to the same question earlier in the thread (can't find it atm, but should be there) and I'm afraid Rasparthe is right.
If you want to use another Richland chip together with 6800K, best possible one is 6400K.
Despite the different model number, they still share the same core name (Devastator' in the hwbot db) - similar to, for instance, HD7950 and HD7970.
PS: By the way, there's another limitation for USA and Germany - you guys are not allowed to use any of the K (unlocked multi) chips. That's what I heard...
I'm sure Leeghoofd will confirm!
Read massman post page 12 (middle)
You forgot Australia man
Limitation? Say what?
Ok, I didn't want to be harsh, but - K APUs are only allowed for Bulgaria and Belgium. The latter is allowed, because sometimes Bulgaria is misconsidered as Belgium. A plain loophole in the rules, but I can accept it this time. I'm being generous, that's all
Proof:
Wahaha
As for the APUs, Lucky_n00b's list is pretty accurate.
The APUs are by core, not by gpu model.
When are you starting to bench for Taiwan PJ ?
Still Belgian "in hart en nieren"
Still makes no sense to me. If both the 8670D and 7660D are devastator core, how is it that they both can be used?
Perhaps this request could be re/considered, otherwise I think that the same question will continue to pop up.
Great suggestion, edited it
PJ for Stage 5 it says "unique CPU core"
I just noticed that the system allows to use FX-9370 and FX-8320 at the same time but both are Vishera?
http://hwbot.org/search/submissions/permalink?ids=2453291,2448762,2450467,2451802
If that's correct we need to buy another CPU
Ah, you're right.
Piledriver > Vishera core
Bulldozer > Zambezi core
All fixed now!
Little devil has arrived
I would use other card which is better
Agreed, there is another 1 or two cards faster than the 610.
Coldslow on the 610, I think.
This is not for me. Would be a waste to not run 6.6 Haswell and 780 hof
What other pci card would be better than what Allen has posted?
I think this baby might surprise you.
I also bought such a Zotac PCI card
Should be an interesting battle.
You will see it in few weeks
If we will buy it ofc, it's hard to find and very expensive.
Yeah, there are a few dual GPU PCI cards worth searching for
You're joking, right?
You're sure that the Quadro NVS400 is faster than the GT 610?
I've seen HD5450 PCI which is pretty strong, according to hwbot 10k in 2003 is doable.
But it must be 5450 with GDDR3
I didn't say it would beat it, just that they exist
Seriously though, it's either a 5450/430/520/610 for PCI in that round.
Why this score (http://hwbot.org/submission/2454048_dan_jacques_catzilla___576p_radeon_hd_7560d_2611_marks) aren't counting on stage 6 for Brazil?
Because you already have a higher score done with a 7660D which is the same GPU Core.
5450/GT430 will be the best i think.
http://abload.de/img/fb_img_1384288702310735kgu.jpg
6970L
1000/1500 stock voltage on both
?
Been sitting on my shelf for at least a couple of years
My integrated HD6520G (integrated with LLano A6 mobile) isn't considered a Integrated videocard. Look:
http://uploaddeimagens.com.br/imagens/wtf-jpg--10
Can you solve this?
Damn you
I can buy this card in US, price is good, but shipping is too much.
430/520/610 are all the same arent they
GT430 is 40% slower than 610
the question is with what score you end up with max clocks.
430, 620, 630 have same core count of like 96. 610 has 48
I don't think so. GT430 have 96 SP, GT610 48SP so it's impossible that the GT430 is 40% slower than GT610.
PCI adapter is fail, thing draws too much power
...even with SATA power to adapter. As soon as bench starts the computer restarts.
Tried it today in a Crosshair V formula and board hangs on VGA lol fml gonna punt this thing in a couple minutes.
ah my voodoo doll still seems to work !
GT430: 96 SPs @ 700 MHz
GT520: 48 SPs @ 810 MHz
GT610: 48 SPs @ 810 MHz
I tried ours as well on 2 Gigabyte UD3 boards (rev3 and rev4) - no post, no beep.
It worked awfully on Crosshair IV Formula, couldn't even finish the bench - it lost signal and monitor went into power saving mode.
bummer. I'm fishing here, a 2nd psu?
PCI pin assignment is easy to find.
Did you try to put a wire from PSU directly to the VGA ?
http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_PCI_Pinout.html
^nope, I figured you jam a pci card into a pci slot and it works lol but i must be mistaken.
Sending to a teamate to try in his board
fail.
Atleast got FX stage done, Not a huge AMDiesel fan
Yeah, I thought the same. I can only run it on Crosshair IV Formula and it manages to complete GT1 and GT3 only. On GT2 and Nature it just loses signal to monitor.
Will hand it down to a teammate anyway, since I'm going to run a different slot card and will cross my fingers it works on his board
I've long assumed that ES are not allowed. I skimmed the thread and didn't see any reference to it.. Yay or nay? Cheers
edit: found it.. not allowed sheeeeeeiiiiit
Casualties of the country cup. No more Fm2 and still had room to go.
Damn! Looks like AMD FM2 needs to get tougher VRM ... these chips are killing!
Yep, kill my FM2 rig 2 day ago...
"Only" 1.65v CPU, 1.5v nb and 1.8v Vmem 500 VRM frequency... under LN2.
Set 650 to VRM frequency, reboot and.... never reboot again.
A88 Asrock extrême 6.
After 4hour of pre test, it's was the "good" setting for the last run, CPU/MEM/RAM at max freq .... unlucky
I think 4300 was doable, but my MB give up before.
The stilt patch doesn't works on my rig, and me IMC are no strong enough (test it for asrock competition).
The last screen before stuff pass away.
With good IMC and the stilt patch -> 4500+
Pretty good IMC
. Gigabyte A85X/A88X UP4 should be much better than AsRock.
No, UP4 is not better, I've had both boards
What issues on UP4?
I can't upload my HWbot prime file, just says something went wrong?
Nop, bad IMC... for sure
Asrock is better than UD4 for RAM...
Not only for RAM, but also has no issue with bclk in IDE mode.
1300MHz is bad IMC. You're aiming at 1400+.
And I feel Asrock generally more stable.
Anyone using the A88X ASRock boards, got an A85XExtreme 6 here and that seems a pretty decent board from the little testing I've had.
So which would be better? A85X-UP4 or A88x/85x Extreme6?
Ram is really really really important, more than IGP frequency... so go for asrock or try asus...
I never test asus for APU, but asus is always good for ram clocking so..
You can try Asus. I believe their top board might be the best, but if your APU does not have a good IMC,
then any board won't help.
Have to think which board buy. I think that AsRock will be good.
You are aware you have to submit for Belgium don't you ? This according law nr 11245 paragraph 5 section 2
Haha, nooo i haven't changed my nationality and i won't
Corrected it for ya.
My Lawyers will contact you both soon, this is NOT done
I'm picking hmm... Poland, sorry guys
Let's see how this card scores for the PCI stage
What is it Roman
Gt430?
No
Nobody mentioned this card so far in this thread. It's also not listed in the bot-database.
Roman becoming Knut, first start Amd and now use HW nobody knows
Probably some Quadro NVS 440 or similar.
If that's a 5550 PCI with 128-bit memory controller then we're all screwed
:p
Nvs=not very speedy
Haha
It's a 8500 GT PCI
No clue about the performance tho =)
edit: sweet. My GT 430 is DOA -__-
I can't submit my HWBot Prime results
They all have a file size of 5,2 - 5,7 MB and when I try to upload the files it says:
Oops. Something went wrong.
We could blame this on you but it`s most likely our crappy coding skills. You could try again or nudge our developpers for fixing this.
Details:
Maximum upload size of 5000000 bytes exceeded; nested exception is org.apache.commons.fileupload.FileUploadBase$SizeLimitExceededException: the request was rejected because its size (5951338) exceeds the configured maximum (5000000)
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der8auer, try to lower your desktop resolution before save the result.
Is 780Ti allowed now or not, I see so many results pop with these new cards for CC2013
hardware released after November 1 are not allowed. and the 780 ti was releasd after 1 november so not allowed
this is my opinion let the staf do the rest
Not allowed.
Not allowed. Don't worry about those uploading, will clean the rankings soon.
hey can someone fix our i5 stage, we are getting credit for 6950's and 6990 and no 4000 series
http://hwbot.org/search/submissions/permalink?ids=2454978,2254876,2454469
so how do i submit this? Its using 8670D and a 7750.
You can't, it's not eligible for the 3DMark03 stage
I don't know how to submit it as a regular entry in the hwbot database either...
Don't see why it's not eligible. Its hybrid and its what the stage calls for. They can just make an entry for it just like they did to differentiate between 7000 and 8000 series devastator and scrapper cores. They can call it 8670D2 7700 series and so on for all the different ranges.
You're running crossfire though. Does that mean i can put up 300K in 03 with my 7970 setup?
Thats what hybrid is. Its crossfire between a gpu and an integrated apu. My understanding is that it doesn't work with any gpu, only select low end models, but I've never tried with a 7970 to verify this.
And if it worked, I wouldn't mind if you put up 300k with your 7970 setup. I'd do the same.
Yes, but Massman explained that this is called Dual Graphics, not Hybrid. For Hybrid only Llano + 2-3 possible discrete videocards qualify.
Not saying it's the right thing, but that's what he explained.
As I see it the difference is the naming scheme only...
http://www.cpu-world.com/info/AMD/Recommended_graphics_cards_for_AMD_dual-graphics.html Basically you should look at the first table only.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I've understood so far. There was a discussion earlier in this thread.
yes this is how it was explained only Llano could do name changes in GPU-Z, however it's funny as it no longer changes to eg 6690D lol. So we need two GPU-Z screenies in the screenshot...
OK, i understand even though it doesn't make sense to me.
i hear ya mike
so what actually qualifies? this is kinda confusing
These are the valid combinations for the hybrid stage:
If you mention table Roman, Dino thinks about the object
Screw the lists just post the best one please
can't be doing all this reading ~bench slob out
thanks Roman, now to figure out what in the hell it means lol
I am glad to see people working hard for the two or three "difficult" categories!
So is it safe to say the best hybrid setup would be A8 3870K + 6670?
Massman can you check why my hybrid HD6530D + HD6670 = HD6690D2 score has not update or appears on the 03 scores for Puerto Rico ? Also I submitted one score with APU for 03 unique socket , that one too is not updated , so far Mr. Paco and me are rooting for Puerto Rico
small island , not too many people lives here that overclocks. I believe we just need an agp submission to complete that stage 
Link to score, Chispy?
http://hwbot.org/submission/2459458_
http://hwbot.org/submission/2459449_
Thank you Pieter.
Kind regards: Chispy
Just going to post this here: http://hwbot.org/newsflash/2333_to_all_country_cup_participants_avoid_clockblocking_your_team_mates
We have a winner :banana:
More communication would be nice....I went and bought a new board and cpu for catzilla and 03. the day I got it someone posted a score with the same setup. With so many players its next to impossible to keep track of whos doing what.
You can always try to improve his score not ?
This is one of the reasons we have put up a general thread for the different BE teams on our forum... to see who has what and who can bench what , how and when...
I have tried to improve on his score. And could not. But the point of getting that apu was to fill an open space in our subs for that bench. Now a different apu score is needed. Which I have ordered and hope will fill the slot.
Are there threads elsewhere that people know of for countries to coordinate subs? I couldn't find anything on the HWBOT Competitions page but maybe I'm just not looking hard enough...
I'm guessing is harder for countries as US/DE that have more than 1-2 active teams to coordinate. Personally I propose starting with CC2014 to have a forum category dedicated for this, with a thread for each country, accessible only for residents.
In the meantime, would it be legit to start individual country threads under the HWBOT Competitions forum? They wouldn't be secure or private but they could help with coordination. Maybe we could all talk in code…
Great idea. They wouldn't actually have to be private. Since we wouldn't be sharing benching methods or tweaks via the thread. We would just be keeping a heads up as to who and what each person had for hardware. Then after the comp. is over just wipe the threads.
Good point, great idea!
nvm!
Need help with the following result is not included in the list of Kazakhstan contributions to stage 8.
http://www.hwbot.org/submission/2450366_
Spent 2 Hours reviving the outter ram slot on a z77 OC formula. Vaseline, lint, dust etc turn it on and works! Then the inside one stops working.....Then find out same thing is happening on A88X Extreme 6+ lmao finally all are revived!
whocares.jpg amirite
Have anybody tried to overclock Zotac GT 610 PCI?
I can't alter memory clocks on it
I mean I can't do it at all, not that the card is instable or something.
When I change the clock and click apply the clock is still at default value.
However GPU overclocking works ok. Tried all possible programs.
Have anybody tried to overclock Zotac GT 610 PCI?
I can't alter memory clocks on it
I mean I can't do it at all, not that the card is instable or something.
When I change the clock and click apply the clock is still at default value.
However GPU overclocking works ok. Tried all possible programs.
My apologies for this rant.
I don't like to b$tch but Holy Cr#p, there r too many issues with submitting a score for this competition.
It won't let me submit any scores at all. Javsa script? wtf
Plz make it easier for people to submit a score. The info being asked for is in the screen shots, why do we have to list it as well? It tells me it can't find my info, can't convert
to java math...
My father passed away on the 28th of Nov.and I'm trying to do this in his honour.
I have tri fire 280xes it won't take and now it can't be submitted.
I have 3 titans for tri sli and 4 780 Ti's coming. Help me get some scores submitted plz.
Have to keep Canada near the top!
Any help would be appreciated.
FF
Under what stage are you trying to submit? Fill in as little info as possible (CPU Name, CPU frequency, GPU Name) and try again.
Watch out for delimiters. Enter frequencies and scores exactly as you see them on the tools and benchmarks - cpuz, gpuz, etc.
I mean, don't write 3280,25, but 3280.25. If you use comma as a delimiter, the conversion string -> floating-point will fail.
Great idea onthe country specific forum..
Ti's aren't allowed in the competition.
Submission has been removed?
Interesting. Maybe memory clock has been disabled by BIOS? Have you tried overclocking via BIOS?
http://www.hwbot.org/submission/2460039_ - resubmitted by too active user))
Still not being taken into account for the average?
Yes, not included in the average.
Fixed!
Thx PJ
Stage 3, USA is bugged with two HD69XX submissions .
Yeah, haven't figured out the problem on that one.
http://hwbot.org/submission/2454365_swed_hwbot_prime_pentium_g6950_3703.05_primes_per_second
Please add this result to top-3 average of stage4 for Kazakhstan.
Fixed!
Kazakhstan already has a better score with the Clarkdale core: http://hwbot.org/submission/2452021_zombie568_hwbot_prime_core_i3_540_3803.71_primes_per_second
COre i3-540 and G6950 are the same socket, and the 540 is higher.
The problem is, that when you try to edit BIOS, there are no values for RAM...
Only for GPU (default GPU clock is 810MHz). And what is funny there are in RAM row.
GDDR frequency is 667 MHz, so no value is good for it
This is tottaly weird
Box of goodies arrived
Time to go
lol
Ruh-roh. Looks like those Llano subs I had cooking are going to get blown away by Michael Phelps. Splave which APU do you have there?
5800k my good man
The 6600k and 6800k both use devastator cores even though they have different gpu models. They'd both be considered the same for the Catzilla bench? I'm not understanding this. They are unique gpus aren't they?
Devastator and Devastator' . Read previous pages
nvm
Pieter , Mr.Paco and me are working together to try to make the best out of this competition for our country Puerto Rico. We are only 2 lonely overclockers
, sometimes it is difficult to make 5 submisions on a stage when only one person per country can submit one score per stage 
, as you can see is impossible for small countries to make it into this competition , maybe a ltittle flexibility in the rules for us in small countries will be helpful and more fun , otherwise we will drop out of this competition completely sadly 
as it is no more fun , rules need to be flexible due to the low amount of overclockers in small countries. Thank you in advanced Pieter.
Kind Regards: Angelo.
Angelo, yourself and Frank are a formidable team by yourselves. Some of us understand your position though. I would be more than happy to change my nationality to join you if the rules would allow it. Just putting it out there my friends.
Nooooooooo, I have a Clawhammer (FX55) that I need to send your way for FX stage as I have no board.
chispy, if you have wife, kids or pets, they can make hwbot accounts
Concentrating on the CountryCup, being very productive lately:
About HWBOT Prime benchmark. Is 'saved data file' if larger than 5MB can not be validate? Please HWBOT fix it. I bench with a lot CPUZ tab and full HD resolusion generate 5MB 'saved data file' can't validate
, but if I don't open CPUZ tab too much, 'saved data file' size at 3MB it can validate.
Hmmm..
Well "Most" of us are all friends on Facebook and we communicate on a regular basis about CC'13. One way or another most all of us are all friends on Facebook anyways... Duke, You need to add me... or Skype is always good. I'm sure PJ and Roman do private Video Skype Chats..
I would if I knew your name on FB. lol
http://bugs.hwbot.org/browse/HWBOT-1275
Added to backlog, hoping for solution asap.
Thx Massman
Damn close in top 3, Backups will decide this year
Where is Grees and Poland^^
they are busy
Good one
@der8auer
Not at all
Unfortunately Greece is out this year for many reasons...
Maybe just for the participation
Try again!
Preparing for your AMD 4GHz results
Get out the burn kit
notebooks are killing this round lol
trololo
pretest, max on stock cooler
Notebook is still doable for pi round, but that Aquamark FX is really hard for us to complete. Until today no sign of another 2 athlon FX (FX-55 + FX-60) to complete that stage. Have been around to old pc stores, 2nd-hand market, and found only one FX-62 but not the others. There's one FX-60 on ebay but the buyer won't ship to Indonesia. Argh
:(
^Feel your pain bro, I have the FX55's but no board, I refuse to spend $100 on a bunny extraction board I won't ever use again.
guess I made some obligations and will be posting something up tonight... could be complete crap, could be ok. who knows... and for what stage?
I know!
zeneffect = pi32M
what no terrible hardware 03?
Send them. PM me if you want.
rofl!!!
ygpm, might as well spam the CC thread
Care to share what driver you are using that allows you to adjust memory timings?
Also we must have different cards if your card is not passively cooled.
Pro-tip: if your card is passively cooled by stock, you can put a fan in front of the heatsink to mimic air cooling
Lol stock coolers
It is on the passive stock heatsink (yes, the same Zotac card, no fan attached, no mods), but it took several days to find how to overclock ram and it went through all team members
Driver might be important, or I'm just trolling
No worries, I have been battling with this bunny all afternoon, and what I can tell you is that all 331 drivers are shit for this card, so much fail it couldn't even run stock clocks.
I can say 327.23 is working quite well minus memory oc, but I will be working on that tonight;)
Just for you PJ, custom cooler for the Zotac. . .
ls_oc DirectLightningSuperAMPHOF edition
And last night benching the APU:
A tip for all cooling the VRM's is critical for stability as they get very hot, now to just figure out the efficiency part lol
Benched 4 hours with the MSI board last nite for APU... no efficiency at all... got no clue why I can't even beat my GB UP4 score, this with 600Mhz more on the CPU, 250Mhz more on GPU and similar ram/speed timings... something is totally off on that board...
^Feeling the same on Asrock Leeg, but I have a feeling it is A88X vs. A85X implementation is better with some vendors rather than others.
Gigabyte and Asus seem to be pretty close efficiency wise, but I am thinking about grabbing a UP4 as everyone has very efficient scores.
I have only tested with PSC so I am throwing the Samsung in to see if maybe that helps. Vdimm seemed to make things worse, 1.73v was optimum for 2600 9-12-9-28 2T.
Ohh apu, why so fail?
I got 4K on water with cpu at 4.95 and gpu/mem at 1260/1300.
Interesting thing about the vDimm. The UP4 is okay but I already killed one of them and the memory OC is a pain in the ass. On both boards I could not manage to get 2600 stable. ~2500 is maximum here. Tested with BBSE, PSC, Samsung and of course different CPUs but no change so I'm quite sure it's board related. I just have no clue at all what is limiting.
What cpu? 6800/5800 or 6400/5400?
this is where im at with a88x extreme 6. seeing everyone run 1300 memory im blown away why all 3 of my chips will not do it
Glad Im in good company.
I get 2560 on most MSI and GB boards Roman, this with PSC or Samsungs. Though the MSI is so slow compared to the GB (loosing 200-250 points clock per clock)... Adjusting subtimings now, but board get's very erratic in boot behaviour... sigh and no POST LED...
6800K. No way to do the same with the smaller models. Not reachable even on LN2 I guess?
I've got the question about hybrid graphics. I'm currently benching on HD6670 DDR5 and HD6550D and it seems to behave like HD6670 alone... I know, that for older benchmarks and games only discrete gpu is used, but I saw this score http://hwbot.org/submission/2459458_chispy_3dmark03_radeon_hd_6690d2_58651_marks from chispy and he's getting 50% better result than mine - is there some kind of special trick to do this? I assume, that he got both cards working in crossfire mode, when running 2003.
so true...
Can't submit my score with old FX-60 on Aqua FX stage,always go to "ooops something goes wrong".
Someone has got the same issue ?
Send me the scorefile thru PM.
Solved with putting the real CPU frequencie I think
Yes.
how often do the stage scores get updated? im looking @ us average for 32m and its not being reflected. should be in the 8:25 area
I did the math and its correct 8m31
maybe im doing math wrong? im coming up with 8m25.508
Now I'm starting to understand why you are always a few seconds faster then the rest Zen
You are time warping !
I guess... I keep running the numbers and keep coming up with 8:25.508
is this what you are seeing ?
yes, I think my math is off... doing this at work is no good for my brain worms....
*edit*
ran it through excel.... my dumbness is being retahded 8:31 is right.... was basing off of 100 rather than 60
that 10 min score needs to go away...
Belgium wants to swap the 10 minute score for a 14 min one, is that okay ?
include all the waffles, a dozen women (between the ages of 18 and 30, not exceeding 120lbs and for the love of god NO SIDEBURNS OR BEARDS), and its a deal. if a couple are deaf, that's cool too... unintelligible animal noises are the hotness.
=)))))))))
Haaaa, this issss soooooo truuuueeeeee
2day ago : 3hour to find a way to increase voltage on 6970DCII -> Fail
yesterday : 3hour to find a way to install xp on desktop // CD -> Fail // Flash drive fail // 2nd flash drive fail... and 3hour later, find a solution, my news SSD (sandisc ultra plus) don't works with XP... installation failed, with crucial M4 it works. spend 3hour for this crap.
Too many hardware... CC is really time consuming, to find "the good" hardware, buy it, install os, try to understand how it works, prepare for cold.... finally 10% bench, 90% to set up the rig.
Trying to get this submitted, but it doesn't look like it's showing up under the competition page.
http://hwbot.org/submission/2464844_sno_superpi___32m_core_i7_4900mq_8min_56sec_354ms
Should be on this page, yes?
Sno, your score is slower than FUGGER's so its not showing up. Look @ the CPUz and you will see you both are using the same socket.
beat fugger!
or you don't get any pudding!
Massman : Is it "hybrid approved" ?
http://img.hwbot.org/u37904/image_id_1056357.jpeg
We have the same "issue", we used APU + VGA but the name doesn't change.
Officially, if we show crossfire enable + VGA tab + APU name in GPU-Z ( see example) it's OK ?
oh my GT 430 PCI is not the card to use for 03
700/600 stock
700/1100 after mods 7600.....
800/1100....7500
950/1100....7550
hmmmmm
^Send it bruuuuu
Yeah, it's okay. For some reason there are setups where Hybrid isn't working properly. No idea why, though.
Llano decided to show up for the party dressed in some hot threads.
He's working on a bit of a hangover, though, so he's not as fast as he'd like to be...
On stage 8, 4000,01 without any tolerance? Just want to make this clear before stage is ended. Or is 4000,1 still valid? Score with 4000,09 could be loaded, this why I ask
Massman can you add this score to Stage 7:
http://hwbot.org/submission/2465528
To supersede my HD 3850 AGP score, which needs to be removed:
http://hwbot.org/submission/2459828
And rolled back to QuickFast's HD 4670 AGP score for that slot
http://hwbot.org/submission/2447035
I thought the database would do it automatically since I submitted the 6630D2 score most recently, but it didn't. Thanks!
I try to run my 3850 today if i find the time and try to better your score then your 6630D2 score should show up i think that's how it works
Sweet dude, but if you can't, Massman should still be able to update the scores. All the better if you can do 34k+ with that 3850 though since we'll need the points in that stage.
EDIT: Never mind Massman. I found the very helpful "remove from competition" link and clicked it for my 3850 sub, and now we are all good. Nevertheless QuickFast, go get 'em with that 3850.
I did one better plus it has more in the tank i'll find time to run it some more tommorw
^ you guys are killing it!
^Agreed lifesavers for sure, keep at it team USA!
Well I hope cooling my laptop with a cold beer will suffice for this stage
Can't seem to find the reason that this score won't show up on the scoreboard for Canada? Bug?
http://hwbot.org/submission/2465840_valkyrie_superpi___32m_core_2_q6600_(2.4ghz)_14min_4sec_62ms
Seems like a bug, or slow refresh. I also removed and reupped the FX8350 score, let me know if it shows up.
Nice work guys!!
Not to be "that" guy but you will be pulling the obviously bs times right
let me know if you need any help or just put Sam on the case ....
My PM Inbox is ready. Any help is highly appreciated.
sounds good man
Ill blow it up 
Which one is it man? Did you mean one of my friends laptop cpu?
If that's the one you doubt, there is a video i made during the score session, lemme check
Im not pointing any fingers man, thats why we have mods
No problem buddy, I'm just trying to make it clear
I find it unbelievable myself when I saw a laptop running a DDR3-2400, that's why i made the video
Cheers,
Hi there bartx , I have just discovered something with this strange weird hybrid set ups , hence why my score was bugged somehow and it was deleted by my , after Roman block it for GT2 score bug high and he was in the right path , my llano cpu with 6530D APU + HD6670 DDR5 = hybrid nomenclature HD6690D2 acts and scores widely different depending on the output I use on this low end biostar mobo , if I connect it directly to the DVI from the mobo it will score lower than the HDMI conector , I get the higher scores if I connect the hybrid set up directly to the DVI of the HD6670 DDR5 video card but then it says that I have 4 video cards installed
, LOL im not running quadfire 
, I believe I am not the only one with this problem , I did it unknowingly or not on purpose I was merely testing the different Video outputs from the mobo and from the video card. please let me know who else is having weird scores with this hybrid set ups , I know for a fact I cannot be the only one having trouble that I do not understand on this weird set ups hybrids. bartx test it for yourself to see if is a board issue , driver issue or just hybrid acticng up.
Hehe I was benching yesterday the same setup and thought "damn that score is just way out of line"
At least it's pretty unusual that you have ~600 FPS in GT2 and only ~300 FPS in GT3 and GT4.
On my setup GPU-Z says "Enabled (3-GPUs)" which doesn't make sense aswell. I had to use the DVI connector of the HD6670 tho. It didn't work when I tried the VGA/DVI Port of my mainboard.
hahaha ... no worries my friend :celebration: , this hybrid set up are just plain weird , they don't work as they suppose to work I guess , bug high in GT2 and bug low in GT3
hahhaha ... I hate this APU BS , I returned this board back to my nephew and I don't want to see another hybrid set up ever again , what a PITA 
Yep, 4 GPU for us...
Hybrid is very nice, 1k more with hybride... impressive
Just a quick note for everybody: Alva sent a video to me of the run and all is fine. It shows the run and afterwards they open CPU-Z (CPU and memory) and also XTU to display all the settings. So the score is fine
Just for reference. What score do you guys have on stock with hybrid? I'm still not sure whether it works alright.
We had about 33k here in 03 with HD6670 in Hybrid.
Thanks a lot for the clarification Roman
Cheers,
Kinda sucks the hardware for a single submission for stage 8 costs more than the whole setup for stage 1, at least it's weighted correctly...
laptop
vs.
4XCrossfire R9 290X + 4930K + R4E BE
Regardless killer set for Stage 8 Indonesia, you guys killed it:)
Yeah but in your quad crossfire setup you don't have a blu-ray burner
Congrats for stage 8 Indonesia!
No bugs here that I can detect. Was getting 23k-ish stock with 6630D2 (3870K/6550D + HD 6570), scaling up to 28k predictably w/ various OC's. My drivers (Cat 13.9 64-bit for APU) reliably switch dual graphics on and off w/ GPU-Z showing either "Crossfire enabled (2 GPUs)" or "Crossfire disabled (2 GPUs available)."
I need to find your bugs so I can hit low 30's.
I'm gonna start switching outputs around...
EDIT: 23k seems low relative to 33k for ref on 6690D2, must be the lower clocks and DDR3 handicapping me on the 6570...with OC still doing 2-3k better than a comparably clocked 6550D, so there's clearly SOME benefit.
Thanks for your answer. I was using DVI port on HD6670 and my score was around 35000 points. I checked also gpu usage during 2003 run - 100% on HD6670 and 0% on HD6550D. Gpu Z showing 4 or 3 Gpu, no idea why. Disabling Crossfire gave me 2500 points boost
Seems to be, that Crossfire generates bigger cpu load.
According to AMD info it's ok. In 3DMark 2011 there was boost from hybrid, in 2003 not. So in my opinion, it should behave a bit slower than single, discrete GPU used during bench.
I had the same experience like you. Hybrid is a little bit slower than a single HD6670 in 03. But that's an good indicator for us to check the scores afterwards.
My submission was not added to my country results, anything wrong whith the submit? It was checked ok by the system.
http://hwbot.org/submission/2467395_wooddragon_3dmark03_radeon_hd_7870_%28tahiti_core%29_109925_marks
You already have a PCI-E result in that stage which is better:
http://hwbot.org/submission/2454911_nacho_arroyo_3dmark03_geforce_gtx_titan_199837_marks
but that's another user, is not me
Only the best result counts mate, either you best his score or your submission is not included in the total ranking for CC2013
there are also another two results, each ones from differents users but my result wasn't added
http://hwbot.org/search/submissions/permalink?ids=2453877,2454911,2454841
You are using a PCIe card. Nacho's score with the Titan is better then yours, so your score does not count in the ranking... only the highest score per GPU type are used in Stage 8.
For the other two scores you listed, one is APU, the other one is a hybrid (so APU + GPU) score, so Argentina still needs an AGP and PCI card score...
Your score will only be listed from the moment you beat one of the previous set scores per GPU type. I hope it is clear now
I didn't catch this from the rules, my bad. Thanks leeghoofd.
No problem Massman makes things far too complicated
Latest casualties:
2 x Gigabyte F2A85X-UP4
1 x 6800K
1 x 5800K
1 x 6400K
and now 1 x HD6670. Goodnight sweet hybrid stage.
Yes but whatever score you did manage to put up should be good for first place in the stage once you post it...
Lol what the hell dude. Stop doing drugs during benching lol
You've killed a lot of stuff. I only have killed.
1 x Gigabyte F2A85X-UP4
1 x 5400K
1 x gtx470
1 x Lamptron FC-5 fan controller
How the hell did you kill the fan controller?
by overclocking the fans?
Lol lol
You can only submit one category bro
Im kidding!
Ive killed 2x5800k 1xA85X Extreme 6 and 1xA88X Extreme 6
Turns out you SHOULD NOT leave the vrm bare on air
VRMs didn't get warm at all and our A85 Extreme6 just died out of the blue - no condensation, the board was even insulated on the bottom side with liquid tape. cpu volts were 1.6V, vGPU 1.45V and it died 15 minutes after the start. No particular reason, just tried to change a setting in bios, then it started showing weird post codes on the display and after the third restart never posted again.
^ mine are hot to the touch on a85 and a88
I always have a fan over it and it was fine in the previous competition, but it failed pretty quick in this one.
Just like the Gigabyte board long time ago...
UE50 just dropped an LN2 bomb on the hybrid and APU stages. Nice work Deutschland. Gonna be a photo finish!
Aaaaaand finally the A85X-UP4 bit the dust(The APUs were intact though), Had to rebench some of the APUs with F2A85-V Pro. ... why now of all times
Lol I was enjoying this until I started getting my ass kicked by this dumbass AM3 argh. Junk
I feel ya bro, we're also tortured with this AM3 stage since we're only going 4 setup instead of 5. Hopefully we're not that far behind in terms of points x_x
same here only 4 subs for aq3
His problem is with the benchmark itself, not the lack of hardware.
Killed FX53 and FX55 Claws.....and pretty sure killed an Ultra D.......and pretty sure killed our chances in Aq3. Not very happy right now.
Have to let it dry out to be sure.
Damn sucks!
Do you have Buddy that can snap one off
We have problems submitting Aquamark score, cpu is @ 3809.13mhz but when upload it data base read it @3809130 MHz
screenshot is ok all is ok but i cant submit it say "smthng got wrong" any clues? 10x
Yeah, for issues like this just send me the scorefile to repack it with correct cpu frequency.
Prepare. . .
I can reproduce this every time lol, epic bugged run ftw!
Yup seems legit
If the 3dr file validates, surely it's legit
I just calculated the "fixed" points after 4 stages. Ranking:
89 Indonesia
85 Germany
83 Australia
76 France
67 Bulgaria
66 USA
64 Poland
55 Belgium
52 Romania
48 Canada
48 Sweden
Getting raped
Germany in front
usa just on 6?
the most interesting competitor with most leading days...
go usa! :celebration:
Because they have no complete AM3 stage
I would have benched Aquamark 3 but no one told me we were not going to have enough scores. I figured someone had something for a late submission. Anything would have been better than not qualifying.
Indonesia (y)
I guess MR.Scott killed his board...Sucks man
4 stages done, 4 stages left. the last stages give most points. nothing lost yet
Why isn't this score valid for stage 7 (Romania, hybrid)?
http://hwbot.org/submission/2468264_reflavius_3dmark03_2x_radeon_hd_6350_9035_marks
Thank you.
Simply not submitted correctly. It's the wrong cathegory.
Simply entered wrong section, should be HD 6430D2...
edit: damn, roman was faster
Whew..benching for 2 days in a row was very exhausting. Now can take a little rest and push for the last 4 stages with BIG points
Keep pushing it guys
Cheers,
Epic fail to Poland this year, but let's hope we will get more points in other stages
my body is starting to shut down, country cup is not healthy. caught my self staring into space for about 15 minutes, eyes wide open like taking a nap with my eyes open.
Board and 2 processors that weren't mine.
Had to try to fit benching in between snow events here. 14 days in a row of 16 hr. shifts. Tried to push too hard too fast in the limited time I had. Lesson learned. Don't be stupid.
^^^^^^this
Country Cup is great and annoying at the same time and energy draining.
We also failed complete a stage. Disappointed about that
4 stages to go
Roman your calculation is wrong, we're on 77 points
We were benching last 2 or 3 consecutive nights without getting any sleep (work during the day) and when the stages were finally over, I went to bed in the evening and woke up at 6 next morning...12+ hours of sleep
I was hoping we can get that APU stage, but Indonesia managed to beat 3 of our scores. We could do better, but the asrock board died just 15 minutes after the start with the first APU to bench (6400K). It was really a gem with the best IMC from all our APUs (1400+) and really strong GPU (1400MHz 1.35V on water). 1800MHz should have been possible on LN2. Next day we got the Asus board, but there was not enough time to rebench it, if it's still alive. Other scores could have been better too, but we were limited in time and resources.
For Aquamark stage we didn't have a good Bulldozer and Gigabyte boards were throttling with really high clocks, so I'm happy we managed to get the 3rd place.
For 3DMark we simply didn't have enough time and suitable hardware. I tried to get some good score with the HD3850 on LN2, but something went wrong, so I had to post the single score on air produced 30 minutes before that. Not sure, but maybe the only team that managed to clock the memory on these stupid PCI 610 cards
GunGod managed to get the Llano Catzilla score literally 10 minutes before the end. Additional 300-400 points were possible there as well.
Thanks to my teammates for the hard work, now need to concentrate on the other stages
Just so you know, I have TONS of respect for what you and the other Bulgarian overclockers do year-in year-out!
energy draining : That's so true bro.. So true
Throttling or AM3 scoring inconsistently
I can tell you in my testing with 990FXA-UD7 these was no throttling as I checked with 3d11 window mode as my runs were sometimes wildly fluctuating in scores in AM3. During that process i also discovered that the UD3 had a bios issue with turbo cores not running at max speed so I benched without them and could get the same efficiency in high scores, separate issue I guess
990FX-UD3 rev.3 had some problem with "high"(1.2V+) volts on the CPU-NB - it was simply shutting down. And yes, it was throttling at high load, I checked with Cinebench. 970A-UD3 rev.1 has enormous vdroop and 990FXA-UD3 rev.4 (the prize from the Giga comp) is horrible, but haven't played enough with it to tell what exactly is wrong. Bios seems worse than the one on UD3. I wrote Gigabyte, but no response. I've only tested it on water, but what the old Crosshair IV Formula can do, the Gigabyte board can't even touch. I suspect it's the bios, because there's no more overheating, the cooling is improved versus v.3 and I guess VRMs are different. It might be me doing something wrong, but there was not enough time for pretest.
In the end the little 970A-UD3 was the best choice from all 3, but due to the big vdroop (0.07V) and not so good FX-8120, the scores are mediocre. Also the CPU-NB frequency is tied to the HTT frequency for whatever reason (can't be higher), but it might just be the latest beta bios, have to check again F7. 990FXA-UD3 rev.3 was able to pull 200 to 300MHz more in multithread with 1090T in the past, but it seems damaged now.
Crazy work you've done bro! That 5400K + 6400K APU clock is awesome. Had you been able to squeeze more on the top end setup (Llano, Trinity and Richland), you guys would've won the stage.
Respect man
I took a rev4 to bench first and the damn thing died on me starting the bench at 7.4ghz 1.67vcore with 9590. Switched to UD7 all sweet. I would probably stick to UD7 for ln2 benching. Never let me down and has a strong pwm
I totally forgot how nice it is to bench with old award bios. Miss it so.much!!! Fast and no dicking around
Don't ever tell that to Sin Dino
You will end up in an endless conversation... and he always has the last word 
Great scores lads, too bad I couldn't devote more time and push harder here due to family issues...
AMD?APU? Its OVER YESSSS! REjoiCE!
And to people that insinuate that is 100x easier to bench being in the USA in general......
(The black version of me, loud, and mikecdm)
Must be the same board I've been using every time I bench AMD
UD7 is a solid board. It has some quirks and obvious limits, but once you figure out how to work around the small issues, it's sooooooo reliable. Take the engineer who worked on that, and promote the crap out of him
We have the same
Monster IMC (1330 on PSC on air) + Monster IGP ...
1850MHz
http://img.hwbot.org/u17635/image_id_1077545.png
Yeah, same monster chip, too bad we couldn't push it to the max. What you see was just a random clock as a start and the board died after the 3rd run.
Great score, Wiz
.
No sandbag, still going and best posted
You guys just have too strong Prime results. Will be impossible for us to beat the US.
Great spirit about the sandbagging! We're still benching and probably even tomorrow morning. 4870X2 just gave us a hard time with a lot of driver problems and the card was shit
This^^4870X2 is so ...
Can we have 12 extra hours please
Sure, you can submit until 11:59 PM GMT+0
Scumbag roman teaches me how to epower over the phone lmao thanks again bro.
great sportsmanship !! awesome !!
lol did he tell you kick things off with 2v first!
hahah
It's up to loud now lol but congrats to Germany we need 37k for 670 and 570 with our 25k 470 score so I know at least they have beaten us among others I'm sure
All I have to say about epowering the 570 is. . .
You're welcome man
Welcome to the epower-club!
Just improved my 570 score. Now time to sleep and then last try with ASUS ARES.
This is how I imagine the situation at Roman's place right now
Unfortunately I wasn't able to give it much go before loosing power. We've now been without for 24 hours and they expect it could still be another 48 before it is restored... It's been a tough run.. Good job everyone.
yessss, the only bench we have a chance....requires no mem tweaking etc
Slapping on an epower does not just make every card good btw, dude nailed it in every sense of the phrase. Wicked setup.
lmao looks like AU?
What's that huge roll of toilet paper doing on the left ?
I wish, so much fail Dinbro.
Have all my best posted, figured I might as well turn in my homework early since I have an early flight tomorrow. I know it's not enough but oh well, there's always next year, and this year was a blast:)
Wish you guys a Merry Christmas down under and look forward to meeting you at CES dude.
meanwhile in sandbagtownofAustralia LOL
Thanks George & likewise, looking forward to meeting all you guys at CES. This was fun but we are such noobs at Country Cup man LOL
we are basically sandbagging our fail scores because we are embarrassed to be leading a stage with junk scores LOL
my guess is hwbot prime
Carl probably nailed p55 with proper vcore
What's about to happen to America is . . .
absolutely thrashed my 34K run!
Australia can still win this. If the ranking stays like this, stage 1 is decisive. 18 points difference Germany and Australia if AU is #1 and DE is #2. Now the difference is only twelve points. Uh-oh!
nah Germans and Indonesians are going to put up their scores soon, we're going to end up 3rd if lucky lol
if it does end up 9 points between us, LOL BRING IT ON!
what happens in case of a tie
?
For me, CC is a disappointment, I try to push it, really, but no one want to take part... So I did my best, but when I see "round 2" and "3"... it breaks my heart.
One more time, it's a fail for France.
We need, at least, one guy like, Roman, Splave, Loud, infrared, AU guys... Someone which can bench instead of.... doing anything else.
France is a nice country, with lot of hot babes, free hardware, LN2 supplier everywhere. So come on guy, join us
( only 3 things are not true in the last sentence, i swear)
My aim was top3 too....but it over...so I can take a rest (or try to do 2011 for stage1, 20L of LN2 left...haaaa).
Good luke all, and don't forget Indonesia sandbag in your calculation...
(no really, in case of tie stage 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> etc)
Not another super close stage... :-/
We're still benching. SO many problems
Sandbagging time
France is killing Germany in Stage 4!
I am totally done, i3 3240 brand new box DOA and my Pentium G died few weeks ago when I tested some motherboard for RMA. No cpu for this stage...
Australia just started to bomb CC
Indonesia back in #2 in HWBOT Prime ... crazy
No, since we're not doing sandbagging we unfortunaltey dont have any backups...
I'm still benching 5970 but no improvement so far. Other stages wont be improved aswell.
^Like a boss Roman, respect!
Australia 3/3 ?!
seems like australia or indonesia would make it this year...
Monster score with this crazy i3 550, you nailed it, congrats.
Sure you do roman judging by the latest score update, still came up short in cloud gate
The margin is really close in all three stages; Australia can win all three, but can still get beaten in all three too.
I benched it yesterday evening mate. Same as the i3
My first 570 result was also done on 3770K and this one with 4930K
Yah as I said b4 we dropped all scores I still don't think it will do and it seems we'll be fighting it out last round
Lookin for the lucky draw.
Roman, your team mate dropped a score a few minutes ago. So since one of your team mates is generalising he should be looking at his own team as well...
It's not a good look fellas, I've told you that after last round
It's gonna be difficult for Germany and Indonesia, I think. Indonesia hasn't submit anything serious for stage 1 yet, but they are like 55 pts behind. Germany's #1 in stage 1, but 20 pts behind. They are 140 pts behind in stage 2, and overtaking Australia there would mean reducing that difference to 6 pts overall.
If AU wins all three, it's done. If they lose in two, including one to Germany, it's all about the last stage.
I think the best thing we can do is stop updating the scoreboard two hours before the end of the competition. The add a new feature with new scores are shown every 5 minutes, make it animated, add a chat, get popcorn, and enjoy the show :woot:
Indeed. Honestly didn't know that there was any score left. Well at least I can say for myself that I was not sandbagging
PJ Indonesia has a 41,4k SandBackUp from Hazzan. So that one should pop up in exactly 5800 minutes from now.
I"m not sure if this idea has been floated before, but it might be worth looking into and developing if the coding can be done on HWbot's side.
To prevent sandbagging, you want people to submit their best scores when they have them, right? Make others constantly improve, then you have to as well to fight of the other scores.
What I'm thinking is a system where the points are only partially based on the final score, but also weighted to who had that score the longest? ie: If Germany has the top 3DMark 11 Performance Full Out score for the whole comp, and in the last minute, USA sandbags a better score, award Germany 99% of some arbitrary points, whilst still acknowledging that USA won.
I envision it as teams constantly battling to hold onto the top spot (or places, since it should scale) and hold it for the longest.
It would present a case to overclockers to submit better scores, to hold off the competition, whilst still allowing some sandbagging to instantly take back a top place, until one is out of top scores.
Working out the split in total scores for winning and stage, and time leading a stage will have to be thought out by someone that's not me.
Thoughts?
Yea that's the same thing I suggested few pages ago. Would be cool to have feature like that.
Stages could award "tickets" which are basically the minutes of being first.
500+ posts in this thread, so my apologies if it was already brought up. Good to know that others have had the same thought then. A 'tickets' thing sounds pretty good. Award one every minute for a competition, divide by 1000 to get the points for that round kind of thing?
I think we're looking at the problem of sandbagging from the wrong angle.
The underlying issue is the asymmetric nature of an overclocking competition. By this, I mean that the competitive aspect of overclocking is not "real time". Some people achieve their scores after the first week, some only in the last hours. But the grading happens at real time: every team is valued at a very specific time. Specifically, the end time of the competition. Now, the problem of a "sandbag score" is not related to the specific date or time the score has been achieved. A score obtained in the last weekend is not intrinsically more valuable than one obtained in the first week. That's why I don't like the idea of valuing a score because it has been at the top the longest.
I think the emotional/perceptual aspect of sandbag can be solved by making the grading symmetric to the achieving. (or rather asymmetric like the achieving)
An example: the due time for a stage is 8PM. For two weeks, people have been able to submit scores. At 8PM, the stage is closed. At 8AM, the ranking on the competition page disappears. So there are 12 hours where people are basically submitting "in the dark". You can submit all your backup scores, but no one sees them. Then from 8PM - 10PM, the scores are being submitted to the competition by the engine, at random. It doesn't matter at what point during the two weeks you achieved the winning score, the perception will be that all the scores were achieved during the last 12 hours. Everyone can just sit and watch how the competition unfolds, and no one will have the feeling of being "ripped off" at the very last second.
(//edit: with smart backend logic you can even instruct the engine to hold off the best scores of the top-3 and submit those at the same time. I think that would create the same emotional experience like seeing the river card in poker)
In addition to this, you can add a small incentive for the competition time until the last hours to get people to submit or have the competition going.
It can't works... or you need to bench everythings the first day... no one have enough free time to do that.
Look at top 5 country, every body bench during all night to achieve score.
...That's actually a very good point. Without knowing what your competition is doing, you're still going to sandbag, but without the intrinsic knowledge that you just beat another's score and upset them.
Oooohhh bring on the mind games.
If you did your best, I don't see sandbagging as a problem, other than feelings hurt (like yey we won, oh wait, we didn't). Do the best you can, post when you want, it's part of the whole thing. Sometimes it's not even sandbaging per se, rather a safe score so that you at least have a submission if the hardware die on you. I think most people then actually do bench to the last second.
I'm used to this since we had Swedish Championship every year like 10 years ago, and it was the same back then
you could only show rankings without the results the whole competition and give extra points for holding first place once a day. so everybody has to try his best to reach first place every day and sandbagging becomes useless because noone knows the score of the others, just if he´s better or not
I like sandbagging in Competitions
That would be +35 for indonesia and -5 for Australia, totaling to 40pts. Difference between them now is 52 points.
It's not enough.
Nice Pics TeamAU
Sandbagging is part of the fun
If your not sanding in comps your doing it wrong, theres no respect or anything like that posting early, it's just bad strategy
Purposely losing a competition by posting your best score two weeks out seems like a counter entuitive move to me
-pro
i do not like the idea of "more points for holding top score the longest".
some people really are benching through the day/night right up til the last minute.
if that effort is not rewarded, you will get a lot more butthurt people complaining than we do now about the sandbagging.
while sandbagging is seen as a bit of a cheap tactic, as pro said, its unavoidable if you want to actually compete.
theres no rules against it, if anything its encouraged.
i guess this comp did favour those in the world with daylight hours at the time of the rounds closing, though (Australasia/pacific, EU etc)
i do like massmans solution though, making the last ~12 hours or so dark, add a chat window to the results page and leak through a random score every 5mins to keep the chat going etc... would be like a live event of sorts, definite popcorn viewing
I do respect results a lot more which are posted when they are done or shortly after. And there are a lot of other guys thinking the same way like I do. The result of the competition would be exactly the same if we just uploaded the scores 5 minutes before the competition was over. We did our best and there was no way to improve our scores in the given time. You guys would still be in front of us even if you posted the scores 4 days ago just because you have the better results and not the better "strategy" if you want to call it like that.
Current Ranking of fixed points after 7/8 Stages:
197 Australia
171 Indonesia
168 Germany
147 US
146 France
132 Poland
118 Belgium
118 Bulgaria
112 Sweden
106 Romania
99 Canada
My guess would be:
1st Australia
2nd Indonesia
3rd Germany
I like massman idea to "hide & lock" score during 12h. No need to get up during night to submit, or to fear connexion issue....
Other idea : Give point for "sprint", like in "tour de france". In this race, the 1st at the end is the winner, but during the race, you have some spot, and if you are the 1st to go through this spot you win point.
Exemple : round 2 : 2 week , but at the end of the first week, 1st team win 3pt, 2nd 2pt, 3rd 1pt. En at the end 1st 20pt ... like a bonus , or extra point.
Exemple2 : Same spirit, but with score instead of time, the first team which achieved 40000pt (average) have 3 extra point... the second 2....
The deadline stay the most importante part, but you give extra point during the stage
Sand bag is a b1tch move IMO but it is what it is. Not really good oc spirit.
Feels more like a weasel sneaking in at the end.
Why not tell us the hardware and then gives us the 1 hour a few months later when we should submit. Should be good for web traffic etc
And that being said, nothing you can do about it. Giving points etc for being first at certain points wont work I think.
Not really. There's nothing during the entire period of the competition, just one hour of excitement.
That's pretty much like the very first overclocking competitions where you had to email the screenshot to someone, and then had the winner list published.
Only a page with 18k views and 60 pages right?
Look I think if we're all honest with ourselves we know someone out there is going to be gunning for our score at any point, even from our own team if coordination isn't good like in Country Cup (much easier in Team Cup). Even if you haven't seen it yet, you know someone out there in the wide world is already trying to beat that score you just put up, so you just need to get faster. I just assume everyone's sandbagging and take every free minute I have (not many!) trying to make it faster even up to the last minute, just to do the best I can, and knowing I'll probably get beat since I don't have a pot! But I feel like that's the real spirit of the competition...
Excuse me,
I received an information from one of my fellow overclockers in Indonesia (yudhiagust), that his submission has been reported. This is the report:
And I did look at the 3DMark Cloud Gate benchmark rules on http://www.hwbot.org/news/9044_application_51_rules/ , and it indeed says that the benchmark version of 1.0.0 is not allowed to be used.
So I would like to confirm, is the submission of my friends is going to be blocked because his use of version 1.0 of the benchmark? If that were the case, would our submission before these submission still counted on the average? (IIRC, we did submit some scores with v1.1 before, but a lower score though)
Thanks,
Cheers,
Alva
Why not make a competition end at a random (for general public) time that only gets publicly announced a couple of hrs beforehand?
Say, if you're still on a session, you have enough time to finish it. But sandbaggers would have to refresh the competition page every X hrs for the entire length of the comp. Make X less than normal sleeping time and you'll make sandbagging infeasible.
Congrats Australia for winning CC!
Who have thought that in the beginning?
Go Germany, atleast for second place! Lets beat those Indonesians!
Yeah congratz Australia, u are unbeatable this year
It seems fair and legit, to take your other submission if you have submit one before the "wrong" one. Every body can make a mistake...I hope it will go this way
congrats to australia for winning the cup. it´s a pity it´s allready certain who wins before the final stage, but you guys did a great job.
What the f*ck is this b*tching about here with the version 1.0? I didn't even know myself that there is a "blocked" version. Now that specialbunny is reporting all submissions for no reason to get legit scores removed of all countries?
Look at the clocks and the score. These scores are not out of line so there is absolutely no reason to remove them from the competition. This is by far the most pathetic move ever here.
We'll discuss this internally now!
This version 1.0 stuff is funny, I never knew it wasn't allowed either
Go get em Roman !!
Congratz to the Down Under crew, well done :woot:
EDIT: I just looked at the ranking, Germay is on top again
I'm looking at the same thing, some of the submission on the cloud gate stage is removed I guess?
*oh my, this is bad x_x*
Rules are made to he broken lol!
Not urs. GunGod reported a ton of submissions including one of me and also dino. So it affected the ranking quite a lot. We have to discuss this first internally tho.
For some reason GTX 570 score for AU pulled. If the reason is using 1.0 admins need to get busy and pull the rest. It's going to get messy with most teams impacted......
Ah, I see. Waiting for the HWBOT ruling on this matter then.
Cheers bud
If hwbot prime scores got pulled because of the built in save box covered the cpuz mem tab, I feel these are all against the rules as well. Its only a big deal because it happened to several countries including most of the top scores.
I will say its a dick movr. Wait until after the stage closes to bring the issue to light. No sportsmanship right there, but its strategy. If you cant win by besting your opponent, try to win by disqualification. Still, its strategy, just like sandbagging.
+1, fully agree man, this in total contradiction of the Xmass spirit... This act will set some bad blood for sure
Whats a HWBOT competition without the drama. It figures.
I guess rules are rules can't use wprime 2.0 either....this is a tough spot for mods...I already know my countries stance we don't want the points for this stage if scores are pulled please pull ours as well. Too many guys working hard with no sleep shouldn't be punished on a formality. Why is 1.00 banished though might be good to know.
There should've been a controller in the HWBOT staff to check each submission and send a heads up if they see it's not a valid one.
If it wasn't legit to use in the comp. it should have been stated what version had to be used.
But it is stated in the general usage rules for boints all versions except 1.0. And there are a lot of 1.0 scores up.
http://hwbot.org/news/9044_application_51_rules/
If our score stays removed - better start removing all the rest.............good job to all countries regardless , we all know how much work, time, money and effort goes into benching for comps like this......sux to have it all made redundant for nothing.
Will wait for official ruling before saying much more......
I am shattered if this BS rule does indeed stick. We are being punished on a formality and this will significantly affect the competition results now. Whoever "wins" it now good luck to them but it won't mean a great deal....
We all know these scores are legit and that there are plenty of others using this version that you cannot check but let's pull Futuremark at this contest. This was a surprise rule to us anyway
. We used a fresh image so we can bench properly and not worry about OS messing up and now we pay like this.
haha
some people might say its karma, this is what we get for sandbagging eh?
gg. classy.
but rules is rules. will wait for admin ruling regardless.
as splave said, can we get a clarification as to why this version was banned?
win8 bug?
if a no go;
are all the other 1.0 subs gonna get reamed too? admins got a lot of work ahead of them over the Xmas/NYE break... wd
This was a little surprise to wake up to this morning.
Not sure if this rule comes in to play here.
As it not only affects us but a number of other teams.
This is exactly what I told GENiEBEN but he had already removed the scores... So we have to wait for Massman now to do the final decision and maybe add the results back to the comp if it's fine.
I don't see any reason to ban those results. If you just used a CPU-Z or GPU-Z window in front of the version everything would be fine and nobody would've complained lol.
I still hate the AM3 wrapper bro
that's cool mate... on to stage 1
lol!!
Thanks for the insult!
A winning score is a winning score - when it was done or subbed is a mute point........If its a winning score it will win no matter when its subbed!
If your argument is that you didn't have time to work harder on beating it you obviously didn't do/try your best first time around!!!
Just get the best score you can and subb it when you want - if there is room to improve score it should be improved on regardless weather its the winning score or not!
Was blatantly obvious with the sandbagging, your little OC event was all over FB and your CF 5870's were as well.
We all knew it was coming. No biggie though... Maybe It's Karma?
Karma for what? winning?
Take it how ever you want man. Your opinion is it is the way to do things. I think it's for cowards and not just because our scores got raped lol I don't personally think you're a d-bag man. If I did I wouldn't be fighting to get your score posted back up
im a life long coward dude
............ Good to know, thanks again!
And a winner who didn't even post in the topic that he was participating.
Same drama, different format.
Maybe it's just cause I'm in the Xmas spirit (translated meens half pissed), but I reckon everyone needs to chill. Some of the comments are getting pretty barbed - why does this have to become personal? It's a comp people FFS!
On the V1.0 scores, gotta admit I didn't read the rules, so maybe I was lucky I used the right version. I think it will be tough to pull all the scores using the wrong version (unless there are obviously bugged scores involved), particularly because so many strong benchers used version 1.0, and I am sure that if they were aware of the rule they would have used the correct version. (Why would you use it otherwise?)
Whatever the decision, as long as it's consistent, we should accept and move on........ (But let's get it over with)
On sandbagging - who gives a bunnyextraction when a score is posted!? Bench like you want to win and post it when you are ready. It can work either way (for or against you) so who cares! Only way to lessen this is have qualifying rounds like MOA, where only the top xx qualify to compete in the next round, but even then you can still sandbag all you like
.......
You are right Pete!
In a normal situation sandbaggin is fine. But in this case with using the wrong version, they could have submitted when the scores where obtained and if reported they would still have a week or so to redo them. So, being in this situation, they sandbagged till the last minute, the stage closed and now they cannot go back and redo... Just sucks all the way around for everyone involved.
There's no denying though, TeamAU put up some impressive submissions, you all some BAMF's...
True but it was never picked up till after the stage finished - so sandbag or not no one would have time to go back and re run anyways....
We're discussing this internally right now. Timezones are slowing the process down.
Just approve the v1.0 scores, everyone knows that no one has tried to cheat or ran wrong version on purpose. There is no gain whatsoever to remove them, if you do, this years competionen is going to scraps, and no one wants that.
inb4 failed link
Same sh!t, different day. The hwbot community running on the same broken record
Not going to make me friend...
First, and it's the most importante part, I know how many works/moneys/time.... is it to make all stage, and what's the feeling when your submission blocked "without" any good reason.
So I'm 1000000% agree to keep v1.0 screen
Then I don't want to earn point this way, and we are so far in the ranking in this stage that removing those screen have no effect on us but rule have to be the same for EVERY ONE, not only for US, AU or DE...
I know AU don't cheat on the screen, and just don't know the rules (me neither), but during this CC, one of our submit was block... We have to buy a new CPU with extra fees (need 1day delivery to have it on time), spend 5hour to bench again the same setup... and finaly not enought time for other stage (2 and 3)
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Here, an other story....
2 years ago, I submit a screen for CC, and I make a mistake, 2 cpu-z mother board tab instead of cpu + mb -> Screen 100% legit, score was normal with APU (2dm2001) but one missing tab
With the name of the IGP (GPU-Z -> 6410D) you can know which cpu I used ( this IGP was only in 1 CPU) , with the mem tab, you can find CPU speed....
So everybody can know the information on the missing tab very easely.... But my submit was block and remove...
http://hwbot.org/submission/2229638_
Then only 2/3 score submit due to this moderation.. and when one screen is missing, you go down to the ranking pretty fast.
I ask massman to "unlock" the submit, and I explain him the situation, how to "rebuilt" cpu-z missing tab with IGP name, memory frequency... and this is his answer :
"I understand your situation, believe me I do.
Of course, we could have let this one pass, but what would happen if you would eventually win (or be second/third)? Then people would say HWBOT has commited fraud in the competition by letting that score pass as valid. People who almost won would be angry and that would be completely justified.
Damned if we do, damned if we don't ..."
So I asked to submit a lower score with all tab, screen made before the end of the competition... and massman answer : NO.
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End of the story.... 2 years latter I still feel pain when I think to this... All the money, the time spend for CC lost due to missing tab...
One more time, the good descision is to keep those screen ( cloud gate v1.0), we are all agree with that, but in futur, is something similar happen, you have to "play" with rules again... If it's for AU, or for everybody else... as far as nothing look suspicious
It's not the community or HWBOT, it happens in all kinds of competitive environments. We've had plenty of competitions where there was no problem whatsoever. Even this year ...
Massman can I have the banhammer today ? This will be over in a blink of an eye
Dino start running dude 
If all the top submitters used V1.0, aren't they basically on equal footing given they all used the same program and therefore have no advantage/disadvantage?
Can the HWBOT staff indicate why the V1.0 is not allowed?
I think you could disable bench options in V1.0, though these "tweaked" results are very obvious
i would ban all Australians, you should see how much sand they have over there.
just ask our sponsor lance Armstrong
I have always found that HWBOT has been fair in their judgements. I too have been on the side of a bad loss. One that meant more to me than any other competition I have been in. It was the difference between going to Taiwan or not. Unfortunately I didn't go. But the admins here did their best to make sure everything was HONESTLY done. So I have faith the right decision will be made. Some will be happy....Some will not. That's life. Deal with it.
Its bad thought, Australia deserve it this year
But lets make Hwbot their decission 
But if it stays so, we will have an nice final on 3DM11 
Lol apparently Adelaide asked for the keys of their city back from him lmfao
Hmmmm ... dafok happened ? ... huh ... ahh ... well , I just loggin after a well deserved brake with my family and to find this mess lol , why so much Drama ? is only a competition
, Let's spread around the Joy and Christmas spirit ! guys just have fun with it.
Yep you are right it was just after i read this:
http://www.futuremark.com/downloads/3DMark_Technical_Guide.pdf
No hard feelings bro, look page 21 for details. Briefly 1.0 has issues exactly using multiple gpu's.
That says the newer version1.1 should score higher than the old one 1.0. Soo the scores could/should be better than the ones posted. No reason at all to pull them.
We benched single cards as well so really there's no impact at all then.......
So when is a decision coming? Already taken a few days, now it's Xmas, comp ends in a couple of days.......what's the call?
I don't know about the rest of staff, but all I can say is relax and empty all the bottles of alcohol you could find as it is Xmas!
Bottles with missing labels will NOT be reported....
lol sure, but after days and weeks of benching it would be great for everyone to know where things are at!
I understand the dilemma the hwbot crew are in through no fault of their own, but someone needs to make a call. At least a commitment to when it will be resolved is a start.
Hear hear
So i must drink again lol
I just really dislike the fact that you reported the submissions few hours after the contest was over and I guess you did not just realise this at exactly this moment? Real sportsmanship would be to let guys know that there could be a mistake. Especially if there are a lot of results and you apparently went through every single top result and checked the version and reported it. My GTX 570 result (first setup with 3770K and therefor lower score) was uploaded on 2nd of November and I already used v1.0 there. That's a timeframe of almost two months....
And now it turns out that the issue with v1.0 is multi GPU related and we did a single GPU benchmark. I don't even find words for that really.
Christian Ney is head of Moderation and has the final decision. I texted him this morning and he said he'd look into it this evening, so it's just a matter of hours. I'm pretty confident tho that the results will be moved back to the competition as the 1.0 "issue" is just affecting multi GPU scores.
Nope i notice this just before copmpetition ends while i was trying improve my performance. If i noticed this early i should warn ya for sure. About top scores you are wrong again, our team wont have any benefits from this cuz we know more than 2 weeks ago that we will not have result with 3rd card (GTX 670) and stage is lost. I mention reason why futuremark make 1.1 not why 1.0 is not allowed on hwbot, after all rules are for all even if you not know them or i am wrong again ?
Multi card.
LOL.
Can't say I've read that PDF like you but that part seems pretty relevant here, no?
Back to Xmas, surely nothing to worry about here now, cheers for the distraction though.
Have a good one everyone
Erm, the PDF is not the problem... - the problem is hwbot rule
http://www.hwbot.org/news/9044_application_51_rules/ - you don´t have to google pdfs to read this 
. I have no idea why this rule has been made, maybe because of multi-gpu issues, maybe because of test of staff-members showing irregularities, but it is on since february 2013 if changelog is correct. All this irritation could have been prevented if someone would have known the rules, including staff obviously - just my two cents
P.S. Have a nice holiday season everyone
Bit odd to see such a long delay in sorting this out
Good news guys
Submissions will be linked back to the competition.
That is a sensible decision. Thanks for the update
Good decision, all guys deserve it!
Tip for future (from my experience) - I ALWAYS check before the bench session rules for benchmark, versions and so on, just in case, I guess it's a good habit
I checked those results now:
http://hwbot.org/submission/2470180_bmbenx_3dmark___cloud_gate_geforce_gtx_570_29127_marks
http://hwbot.org/submission/2470144_yudhiagust_3dmark___cloud_gate_geforce_gtx_670_32927_marks
http://hwbot.org/submission/2470074_dinos22_3dmark___cloud_gate_geforce_gtx_570_34023_marks
Please let me know if I missed a result.
Not seen the point changing rules because ppl dont read them, what else we can ignore and expect in future ?
Sometimes you just have to be a little flexible when doing competitions like this. This is the most logical and sensible decision. Next year I'm sure hwbot staff will include allowed versions in competition rules.
Thats only fair, great choise Hwbot
It seems like you don't see a lot of points.
If you're the rules-hero here you should know about this part:
The submissions only have a different version which does not affect the final score so there is no reason at all to block them. Even if they are against the rules. Those competitions are for fun and there is absolutely no reason to disappoint so many people for no reason.
thanks der8auer and all hwbot staff..
good news..
now i can eat my food peacefully..
will read the rules more closely from now on..
No reason ?!? you showing me example with general rules when same rules says very simple that 1.0 is not alowed and you admit u never know this calling this minor mistake. So it looks like rules apply only for me and all ppl that follow em and not for you and other that dont that elaphant$hit!
Come down man! This is the fairest solution for all. All guys spend a lot of money and freetime for this. Accept as it is now
Yes we all do. I wont comment more of this if pll enjoy it this way comunity is more important!
People using v1.1 did not have any disadvantage so there is nothing to complain about. It would be different if 1.0 scores higher.
I can't help if you did not manage to submit 3/3 results. But I really disrespect the behavior of reporting submissions just to go up in the ranking yourself. End of this discussion for me now.
Probably the most of you dont remember anymore but we had a similar situation back in TeamCup 2012. After Competition ended someone reported a score from us. Till this moment we were 1st but than HWBot showed us how mean things can be. Short story: a teammate submitted a fb-dimm ram validation with an ES CPU. While we all agree that old ES hardware, especially in this specific case, had nothing to do with the score, it still got blocked.
Now looking at this discussion, I wish we had someone back than who also said: I approve your result because the rule is in this specific case non sense.
Just think about this and tell me its ok to make exceptions for some people and for some not. Im fine with any decision as I dont care who wins. And even if I know we won, because of some non sense bulls...., victory would have be a very bitter taste.
This is just something about HWBots credibility.
No ES is an explicit and well known rule, not the same scenario at all
Tell me more about explicit rules
http://www.hwbot.org/news/9044_application_51_rules/
P.S. Btw, can someone link me the es rule? I found cloud gate with 2 clicks from startpage but cannot find anything about es apart from general rules where is stated that these are allowed for pro oc... - must be my bad searching skill
Old ES hardware is allowed for getting points in general. So this rule seems not to be that explicit ...
Its just completely forbidden in competitions for no reason. Now imagine he didnt red the rules page back than because he was confident he made nothing illegal....
Doesnt that sound similar to you?
Funny that schenckel bros was persecuted the other day for using wrong version of system info or completely disabling for a bench using w8.1 and the argument was that it has been clearly posted in some thread, somewhere.
There are a tonn of different cases and I'm pretty sure you guys are sometimes also happy that we investigate each case individually. In the case above the result can be tricked without the correct system info on Windows 8. However the Cloud Gate results are the same on v1.0 and v1.1 using single GPU.
http://hwbot.org/competition/country_cup_2013/stage/1158_superpi_32m_low_clock_challenge/
Stage limitations:
Engineering samples and hardware released after November 1 are not allowed
Well this wasn't what I expected to wake up to on Christmas Morning.
I would think that this would of turned out a different way if there had not been a hwbot moderator included in the removal of the scores.
I think this person being involved in the discussion helped to decide that the scores be added back.
Never the less congrats to all.
Going forward, how are we able to enforce rules when this rule was broken but then allowed?
Merry Christmas Hwbot
I just wanted to make you aware of that and on top of that share my personal opinion. As member of Awardfabrik we might be just a little more sensitive on this topic.
But as staff had already decided anyway, I would say lets just open a beer and enjoy the holidays. I will do for sure (beer-wise).
Thanks for the link, Roman, was searching for a general rule but on competition this is clear, also know the 2012 rules as I looked them up again.
This is the bottom line. If it were multiple gpu's that would have been a different story. There is no argument:::
The Cloud Gate results are the same on v1.0 and v1.1 using single GPU.
How much did you pay ney roman
lmao good choice IMO. Personally going to prepare better for next year and go super hard. Merry Christmas !
Make sure you focus on
Don't need to sand bag just need stronger results!
Woot!
Well done!
Good attitude! :battle:
To avoid any confusion, W8.1 allowed ?
Driver 13.12 allowed ? If not what's the latest available at the begging of CC ?
Any 3dm version restrict ?
8.1 is allowed but you need the latest sysinfo and you have to provide a valid futuremark link. 13.12 is fine, too.
All 3DM11 versions are okay except 1.0.0
Hey guys,
Someone just mailed me to say there is a difference between the stage end time and the cup end time. The cup was originally supposed to end on the 27th noon GMT (24h from now), but the Cup was configured to the 28th (48h). I've re-aligned the stage and Cup to the 28th. So you might have an extra 24 hours to get the score.
Sorry for the inconvenience - hope it didn't ruin anyone's sandbag plans.
Actually great
Wanted to bench tomorrow morning. Now I can sleep longer.
Oh Thank God. The LN2 is coming a bit late so I was worried. It's okay now, can sleep for today
oops, rebenched my 670
seems it had a bit left...oh well with no ln2 470 score would have made little difference
Bring it on I say
Judging by the last screen I would say he did
Ahhh, 11hours is too long to wait, i want to see dem sandbags already!!
They're probably still filling the bags with sand
I lold
Training underway......
Dino looks very different in real life
Haha - hmm didn't think of that....
One sandbag is never enough!
DISCLAIMER: This is a joke
Lmao!
HaHa!
First flood of LN2. Let's see how far I can push with 15l
Not happy Jan!
Note: just being a bit sarcastic
Skylink to Indonesian bench session
Bomb incoming ?
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15l of ln2... too much... RIP
VGA dead -> IDLE, applying tweak it parameter (1.3v 1100/1500), ... If it can't hold 1.3v, they deserve to die... bit**
Anyone with sub4way teaser? Dont be shy
Nobody move ?
Teasing ?
http://img.hwbot.org/u26777/image_id_1082109.png
Lawl guys still stacking up the bags?
We're done. Totally epic fail CPU won't budge over 5.62Ghz
:(, no matter what settings you pushed into it. Already submitted the 38039 which is our final score for stage 1, now awaiting all the other backup score 
See you guys later when it's over
No backups here. We already uploaded our best score 3 weeks ago. So who's left?
AU and US?
No matter what - AU won the CC 2013. Well deserved guys. Congratulations!
edit: According to Massman Australia will be known Sandstralia from now on
Thanks Richard! We really wanted to do well this year and it came off better than expected. No doubt next year will be a hell of a lot tougher but we'll be more experienced as well. Brrrring it on!
Good work everyone, this was fun!
Congrats Australia!
Congrats to all
Thanks to splave, Roman, Infrared... it was a pleasure to fight against you guys
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Agreed - has been a blast benching and following this comp!! We really weren't prepared at all this year and as Dino said it came out better then we expected!! Next year we will be more experienced and ready for the challenge all over again!
Well done to all countries involved! Some massive results have came from a wide spread of countries!
HUGE congrats to my fellow Australians!! Well done guys!!
*phew* It's Over!
Congrats for Australia! Only 1st time doing it seriously and yet you guys still finish strong enough to get the 1st position with quite large margin on the scores - EPIC!
Also congratulation for the other countries for the impressive submissions as well: Germany, US, France, and Belgium.
It's been fun pushing it with you guys in this years' Country Cup, see you later in the next OC Competition
;)
Keep pushing it!
Great fun HWBot ! Congratz to all teams, nice scores submitted.
Especially well done from the own Under guys, well deserved !
Next year let's hope to get some more animo in Belgium. As it was one against all
for everybody: Happy new Year all !
Thanks Frederik for the LN2 support :woot: And Tones.be for the hardware :nana:
Congratulations back to Indonesia. 3rd place, and one hell of a strong showing in spi stage 8. Had me personally worried for the days after round 8 on what you'd have in store for the next round(s).
Well done to everyone and all countries who particapated in this years event. Has been a blast for my first CC and really cant wait till the next one now.
Good job Australia
Wd to everyone who participated, big year in general for CC
very tight competition.
Interesting hardware category choices, shame not everyone could complete some of the rounds (including us), still, wasnt as big a setback as thought it would be.
Congrats to the other Aussies, amazing effort especially for our first proper crack at this Cup, look forward to seeing where we can all go from here
Congrats to the winners and all participants. It was very hard in terms of money and effort.
Had a lot of problems in almost all stages.
Shame that Belgium is infront of us. Alby, will beat you next year!
Special thanks to Wiz for the tips, never refused to answer when I asked something
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And big thanks to the guys (Alkoholok, Rager, Grigor) who helped with hardware. Even if they were not the greatest samples, we still managed to close almost all stages.
Next year will be AMDs and thus Bulgarias comeback
Well done Australia, Germany and Indonesia! Maybe if the US can get a little more organized next year we can give you guys a more serious run.
Can't agree more on this.. would have submitted a couple benches if I knew we needed some
Also wish my cpu didn't die on that last 3d11 run.. would have had a 6ghz 1300/1500 run easily. . My 3 other cpus all had 5.6 limit and 1 decent imc.. the 2 other would score low for clocks... All around fun 4 way...
Anybody know to submit to future mark when it shows up as u know error 15 with a saved result?
Congrats aussies.. germans... and and Indonesia. . Great runs.. and wiz. . That cpu makes me totally jealous. Take good care of it.. it really sucks when you lose a great cpu. ...
Congratulations to all participants & winners! Well done!
Congrats!
welldone aus!! you ripped it!
Congrats to all contestants
Too bad we had such bad luck with some stages
The CrossFire category was a near-miss 
Maybe next year Poland will reclaim the title 
First of all , congrats to the winners and all participants.
I've got a "strange" e-mail , with a question for the hwbot crew (i dont know from who and why they picked me for it ... i have no clue).
The question for the hwbot crew is :
The results done and submitted with a Rampage IV Black Edition , are considered valid results for the competition of Country Cup ?
http://www.asus.com/News/aFpGZ4W8zTa9IOQl
NDA was back in Septemer, RIVBE officially launched in October
congrats to the winners and all participants.
Great competition. Gratz to everyone who competed
Congrats to all participants, well done !!
Thanks hwbot for a well rounded and fun competition. I'm looking forward to next year
Well done ausie, masive leading!
Congrats to the winners and to all who took part, Good job! This year was a lot of fun and I think it attracted a few new overclockers to the competition side of overclocking.
OPA OPA my Australian friends
, well done lads you deserved it! :celebration:
Congratulations to all the participants as well. We'll be back next year
Congrats to Australia!
:celebration:
Great comp - thanks HWBOT! Awesome to see so many people participating, congrats to all taking part
Well Done Australiaaaa!
Next year will be fun..
Well done Aus. Start saving $$$$$$ now for next year.
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